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Old Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:09am
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steal home - run score?

situation:
R1 at 3rd with two outs...2 and 2 count on the batter...pitcher going from the windup...runner breaks with the pitch and steals home (beating the pitch to the plate)...pitch called a strike...does the run score?

Can you give a rule and or casebook number for my argument..
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Old Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:30am
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No. (NFHS citations below)

9-1-1(a), Exception -- A run is not scored if the runner advances to home plate during action in which the third out is made as follows:

a) by the batter-runner before he touches first base.

8-1-1(b) -- A batter becomes a runner with the right to attempt to score by advancing to first, second, third and home bases in the listed order when:

b) he is charged with a third strike;
1. If the third strike is caught, he is out an instant after he becomes a runner.
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Old Mon Jun 10, 2013, 12:06pm
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OBR: Same answer. 4.09(a)

One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first,
second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning.
EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a
play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter-runner before he touches first
base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or (3) by a preceding runner who is
declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases.

NCAA: Same answer, but I don't have the rules handy.
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Old Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:02pm
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Easy rule to remember, regardless of rule-set. No runs score when the batter-runner is out before reaching 1b when 2 are out already.
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Old Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:44pm
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situation:
R1 at 3rd with two outs...2 and 2 count on the batter...pitcher going from the windup...runner breaks with the pitch and steals home (beating the pitch to the plate)...pitch called a strike...does the run score?

Can you give a rule and or casebook number for my argument..
6.05(n) helps to understand the ruling although it is for one specific situation:

"(n) With two out, a runner on third base, and two strikes on the batter, the runner
attempts to steal home base on a legal pitch and the ball touches the runner in the batter’s strike zone. The umpire shall call “Strike Three,” the batter is out and the run shall not count; before two are out, the umpire shall call “Strike Three,” the ball is dead, and the run counts."
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Old Mon Jun 10, 2013, 09:21pm
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(beating the pitch to the plate)
Other posters have given you the correct answer, but perhaps you're not sure when "action" (FED) or the "play" (OBR) begins. I can't give you an exact rule cite, but the action or play begins at the time of the pitch rather than when the ball reaches the plate. It is similar to a stealing runner who reaches his advance base before the ball is hit foul. The runner returns to the base occupied at the time of the pitch.
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