Batter throws bat

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by jicecone

The point of my example was not to point out whether my partner was wrong or not, because in his mind and interpretations he wasn't. But, had his understanding of the "Malicious" interpretation been better understood, he most likely would have made the correct call.

Which takes us back to one interpreting "carelessly throwing the bat".

I have seen a bat being thrown at a pitch and have never been able to differentiate if the batter lunged and then the bat slipped from his hands or if he purposely was throwing the bat. Which in my mind does not fit the rule you cited.

I agree that it's unlikely to have been thrown carelessly if it's a case of slipping while lunging.

So in that case, because it does not fit the rule, and as you stated there is "not a given definition for carelessly throwing the bat", how can you judge that because it ended up next to the fence, it was "careless".

To quote you, "Sometimes you just have to umpire." But I'm astonished that you think throwing a bat 30+ ft to hit a pitch within 2 ft doesn't rise to the level of careless.

And because YOU, have judged that interpretation to be the correct one, how are you any different than my partner was?

Which you have already stated as being "wrong". Thats my point.

Because I'm applying an actual rule. He didn't.

You appear to be wrongly equating carelessly with unintentionally. You can be intentional and careless as well as unintentional and careless.

When you release the bat either intentionally or unintentionally in such a way that it poses a hazard to the safety of others, you have carelessly thrown the bat. You have thrown the bat without care to the safety of others.

Think of it this way: if the batter throws the bat into your shins on his follow through is it better or worse if he did it intentionally? My guess is you are going to warn the team for carelessly throwing the bat if it is unintentional but eject without warning if it was intentional.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

You appear to be wrongly equating carelessly with unintentionally. You can be intentional and careless as well as unintentional and careless.

When you release the bat either intentionally or unintentionally in such a way that it poses a hazard to the safety of others, you have carelessly thrown the bat. You have thrown the bat without care to the safety of others.

Think of it this way: if the batter throws the bat into your shins on his follow through is it better or worse if he did it intentionally? My guess is you are going to warn the team for carelessly throwing the bat if it is unintentional but eject without warning if it was intentional.

No, in just about everycase of the bat coming back to my shins it has been because some inexperienced player has never been properly shown how to drop the bat after after hitting the ball. I am not giving warnings and ejections. I will call time, bring out the coach and the player and hopefully correct the situation right there. I very seldom work those level games anymore though.

Lets just say that I believe your judgement of "carelessly" is different than mine and leave it that we disagree. I have seen bats end up in the stands, almost at first and it really has never entered my mind that it was carelessly.

Have a good day!

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jicecone

no, in just about everycase of the bat coming back to my shins it has been because some inexperienced player has never been properly shown how to drop the bat after after hitting the ball. I am not giving warnings and ejections. I will call time, bring out the coach and the player and hopefully correct the situation right there. I very seldom work those level games anymore though.

Lets just say that i believe your judgement of "carelessly" is different than everyone else's and leave it that we disagree. I have seen bats end up in the stands, almost at first and it really has never entered my mind that it was carelessly.

Have a good day!

fify

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

fify

fixed it for yourself, perhaps, but certainly not everyone else's. I agree with Eastshire, who stated what I meant more eloquently than I did.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by jicecone

No, in just about everycase of the bat coming back to my shins it has been because some inexperienced player has never been properly shown how to drop the bat after after hitting the ball. I am not giving warnings and ejections. I will call time, bring out the coach and the player and hopefully correct the situation right there. I very seldom work those level games anymore though.

Since it was due to inexperience, it was not also careless? What a strange definition of careless.

Lets just say that I believe your judgement of "carelessly" is different than mine and leave it that we disagree. I have seen bats end up in the stands, almost at first and it really has never entered my mind that it was carelessly.

Have a good day!

You honestly don't think a batter has been careless with his bat when it ends up in the stands? I'll make sure I'm behind the backstop if I ever take in one of your games.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

You honestly don't think a batter has been careless with his bat when it ends up in the stands? I'll make sure I'm behind the backstop if I ever take in one of your games.

Ever wonder why the pros have bats go flying as often as they do?

If you death-grip a bat you will significantly hinder your ability to hit.

Sometimes they slip out of a batter's hands. That doesn't make it careless.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Ever wonder why the pros have bats go flying as often as they do?

If you death-grip a bat you will significantly hinder your ability to hit.

Sometimes they slip out of a batter's hands. That doesn't make it careless.

Admittedly, it's been years since I've had my season tickets, but I don't recall the pros having bats go flying on any basis that could be considered often.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Admittedly, it's been years since I've had my season tickets, but I don't recall the pros having bats go flying on any basis that could be considered often.

Fine ... but when it does happen, do you think those umpires immediately issue a warning to the batter?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Fine ... but when it does happen, do you think those umpires immediately issue a warning to the batter?

I suspect not as they aren't using FED.

[bluehair]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

...but I don't recall the pros having bats go flying on any basis that could be considered often.

California Angels fans sitting in the boxseat should consider bringing a helmet this season. When Josh Hamlton was at the plate, on-deck batter Adrian Beltre swung a bat in the bottom of the dugout...most times.

[dash_riprock]

The 2013 OBR is now available on the mlb website.

6.05(h) has been amended. It now reads, in part:

"If a whole bat is thrown into fair or foul territory and interferes with a defensive player attempting to make a play, interference shall be called, whether intentional or not." (Emphasis added to indicate the change.)