Ground Can't Cause a Fumble

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bluehair

As dash pointed out, coach should not be allowed to go talk to BU about PU's call. And it is up to the PU to emphatically insist that he doesn't. The discussion might have been less amusing if your partner wanted to make your handling of coach (allowing him to even talk to BU) the only issue (forget about the play)...I know such brutally honest (learned a lot from) partners.

You guys are beating jice up over this, like Jice should have run up the line and interjected himself into the discussion. That's nonsense. Emphatically insist? What - are you saying he should stomp his feet at home plate and yell at the coach to come talk to him? Come on guys.

Sounds like coach went to the wrong person, and the wrong person did nothing but direct him (eventually) to the right person (Jice). What do YOU do when the coach comes to talk to you and it's your partner's call. I expect that answer is simply to direct the coach to your partner --- which it sounds like is exactly what happened. I hope you don't expect your partner to A) run up the line and get himself into the conversation or B) have him emphatically doing something at the plate to get the coach to come to him.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

You guys are beating jice up over this, like Jice should have run up the line and interjected himself into the discussion. That's nonsense. Emphatically insist? What - are you saying he should stomp his feet at home plate and yell at the coach to come talk to him? Come on guys.

Sounds like coach went to the wrong person, and the wrong person did nothing but direct him (eventually) to the right person (Jice). What do YOU do when the coach comes to talk to you and it's your partner's call. I expect that answer is simply to direct the coach to your partner --- which it sounds like is exactly what happened. I hope you don't expect your partner to A) run up the line and get himself into the conversation or B) have him emphatically doing something at the plate to get the coach to come to him.

If the coach is going to the wrong guy, then I *do* step up and say, "That's my call, Bill. Come talk to me."

No stomping of the feet or running up the line or whatever, but I do try to direct the coach.

[jicecone]

Only here could someone start a thread about a ridiculous statement made by a coach and get chastised for having the wrong color dirt on the bottom of their plate shoes, but I am used to it.

"Actually, when the DC went to my partner first as I called time and walked away to home plate.

Anyway, thanks for the could of, should of and would of scenario's and the advise. We each have our styles of officiating and as always it makes for good learning and discussion.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Only here could someone start a thread about a ridiculous statement made by a coach and get chastised for having the wrong color dirt on the bottom of their plate shoes, but I am used to it......

Well, whose fault is that? If you would properly inspect the field before your games, you would have the proper color dirt on the bottom of your shoes. Cheesh... now you're blaming us for your lack of proper dirt inspection!

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the coach is going to the wrong guy, then I *do* step up and say, "That's my call, Bill. Come talk to me."

No stomping of the feet or running up the line or whatever, but I do try to direct the coach.

FWIW, I don't intercede. I trust my partner knows what to do.

Heck, what would happen if the coach heads to my partner, I say, "That was my call, coach, so come to me please," and he responds, "I'm going to him about something else that was his responsibility, Blue"? Then I've got egg on my face.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Manny A

FWIW, I don't intercede. I trust my partner knows what to do.

Heck, what would happen if the coach heads to my partner, I say, "That was my call, coach, so come to me please," and he responds, "I'm going to him about something else that was his responsibility, Blue"? Then I've got egg on my face.

This exactly. If coach is talking to my partner and partner doesn't tell him to go to me, I'm assuming the discussion is about something my partner is responsible for. I'm not interjecting myself. (Granted, my attitude about this may be different in the case of a rookie who doesn't yet know how to handle this).

[jicecone]

So I am doing another game last night and the right fielder dives for a catch and snares it. As he brings his glove up from the ground to show his has possesion, at the point he stretches arm out completely he drops the ball.

I anticipate the call and end up having to change it. It happens.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by jicecone

I anticipate the call and end up having to change it. It happens.

"It" happens less frequently if your timing is v-e-r-y slow.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by CT1

"It" happens less frequently if your timing is v-e-r-y slow.

Your absolutley correct, but even then "it" still happens.

[bluehair]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

You guys are beating jice up over this, like Jice should have run up the line and interjected himself into the discussion. That's nonsense. Emphatically insist? What - are you saying he should stomp his feet at home plate and yell at the coach to come talk to him? Come on guys.

I was not trying to beat anyone up. I am glad JC took the intended constructive criticism in the spirit it was given. I had the following recently.

Top of 1st fricking inning, no outs yet. Batter violates running lane rule, F2's throw hits BR deflects into RF, my partner (PU), doesn't kill it, R2/R1/BR running bases. Then F2 complains to my partner, DHC comes out to complain, partner becons me to asks what the penalty is for RL violation, I tell him what it is, and then he calls RL violation, BR out, runners return.

After chewing on my partner for awhile, OHC comes out on me, asking how/why I changed my partner's call. Why is my partner letting OHC come chew on me...Me not happy. I tell OHC that it was my partner's call all the way, he needs to talk to him.

If I hadn't had my mellow harshed, and I was thinking teamwork, maybe I could have told OHC, that though this mess was ugly, I think my partner got the call right. Maybe I could have calmed him down some, but I didn't and OHC made himself a right PITA the rest of the game. All because of bad game management on both of our parts.