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dash_riprock Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:06am

A says the runner must be tagged,
B says the runner is out of the baseline but it only applies if the fielder has the ball and is making a tag attempt
C says pretty much the same thing as B.
D is all of the above

It has to be D.

johnnyg08 Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:30am

For the purpose of discussion, unless you don't judge him to be out of his base path. Then it can't be B or C, so then it's not D, so it has to be A.

dash_riprock Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:49am

"For the being 'out of the baseline principle' to apply, the fielder must have secured the ball and be attempting a tag."

Why isn't this correct?

johnnyg08 Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by dash_riprock (Post 875650)
"For the being 'out of the baseline principle' to apply, the fielder must have secured the ball and be attempting a tag."

Why isn't this correct?

I'm not saying I disagree w/ "C" as a statement. But I don't think C applies to this question.

The rule states: (which I'm certain you know),

"In running to any base, while trying to avoid being tagged out, the runner runs more than three feet left or right from a direct line between the base and the runner's location at the time a play is being made"

If you answer "C" I can live with that, but the answer can't be D. (Again, I'm not saying I'm right. I appreciate the discussion)

bob jenkins Wed Jan 30, 2013 09:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 875654)
I'm not saying I disagree w/ "C" as a statement. But I don't think C applies to this question.

The rule states: (which I'm certain you know),

"In running to any base, while trying to avoid being tagged out, the runner runs more than three feet left or right from a direct line between the base and the runner's location at the time a play is being made"

If you answer "C" I can live with that, but the answer can't be D. (Again, I'm not saying I'm right. I appreciate the discussion)

I think the runner clearly runs more than 3' from his path. IF F5 had caught the ball, we'd have an out.

So, I'm answering "D".

zm1283 Wed Jan 30, 2013 09:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 875700)
I think the runner clearly runs more than 3' from his path. IF F5 had caught the ball, we'd have an out.

So, I'm answering "D".

I wish everyone could see the video. I really don't think he runs more than three feet from the tag when the potential tag is attempted. That may not be what they're trying to convey from the question though.

maven Wed Jan 30, 2013 09:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 875716)
I wish everyone could see the video. I really don't think he runs more than three feet from the tag when the potential tag is attempted. That may not be what they're trying to convey from the question though.

Three feet is a short distance: generally an arm's length. If the fielder has to move at all to reach him, then he "left the baseline."

dash_riprock Wed Jan 30, 2013 09:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by maven (Post 875720)
Three feet is a short distance: generally an arm's length. If the fielder has to move at all to reach him, then he "left the baseline."

If you don't think the runner was out of the "baseline," then the correct answers would be A and C.

MD Longhorn Wed Jan 30, 2013 09:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by maven (Post 875720)
Three feet is a short distance: generally an arm's length. If the fielder has to move at all to reach him, then he "left the baseline."

Only if the runner is moving around the fielder. Often the runner is moving away from the fielder (partly toward a base, partly away from the fielder), and what appears to be more than 3 feet is not actually that far. Especially if the runner is already moving away before the tag attempt starts.

zm1283 Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 875727)
Only if the runner is moving around the fielder. Often the runner is moving away from the fielder (partly toward a base, partly away from the fielder), and what appears to be more than 3 feet is not actually that far. Especially if the runner is already moving away before the tag attempt starts.

I would have to watch the video again, but I think the runner was moving around F5 in this clip before the ball got to him.

MD Longhorn Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 875763)
I would have to watch the video again, but I think the runner was moving around F5 in this clip before the ball got to him.

That's exactly what trips up the standard parent/fan - they see a player running "around" a fielder and assume they MUST be 3 feet outside the baseline (nevermind that it's the basepath that matters), and don't realize the path is made when the tag starts, not when the runner begins deviating.

LittleLeagueBob Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 875700)
I think the runner clearly runs more than 3' from his path. IF F5 had caught the ball, we'd have an out.

So, I'm answering "D".


This is where I'm confused..."A" says, "This runner must be tagged to be out in this situation" -- but if we judge the runner to be more than 3' out of his baseline, he doesn't need to be tagged (of course, as long as the fielder has the ball) -- he's out for being more than 3' from his path...correct?

Frankly, I can't tell the difference b/t "B" and "C" -- so I haven't a clue what to put!! :)

bob jenkins Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by LittleLeagueBob (Post 875807)
This is where I'm confused..."A" says, "This runner must be tagged to be out in this situation" -- but if we judge the runner to be more than 3' out of his baseline, he doesn't need to be tagged (of course, as long as the fielder has the ball) -- he's out for being more than 3' from his path...correct?

Frankly, I can't tell the difference b/t "B" and "C" -- so I haven't a clue what to put!! :)

"the runner must be tagged" means "the baseline issue doesn't apply because the fielder doesn't have the ball". imo, all three answers are just different ways of saying the same thing, so D is correct.

dash_riprock Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by LittleLeagueBob (Post 875807)
This is where I'm confused..."A" says, "This runner must be tagged to be out in this situation" -- but if we judge the runner to be more than 3' out of his baseline, he doesn't need to be tagged (of course, as long as the fielder has the ball) -- he's out for being more than 3' from his path...correct?

No. In the video, the fielder does not have the ball, so the runner can't be called out for being out of the baseline. Therefore, he must be tagged to be put out.

johnnyg08 Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by LittleLeagueBob (Post 875807)
This is where I'm confused..."A" says, "This runner must be tagged to be out in this situation" -- but if we judge the runner to be more than 3' out of his baseline, he doesn't need to be tagged (of course, as long as the fielder has the ball) -- he's out for being more than 3' from his path...correct?

Frankly, I can't tell the difference b/t "B" and "C" -- so I haven't a clue what to put!! :)

I don't think we have a baseline violation, which is why I'm going with "A"

I will see if I can get the video posted.


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