Holiday Slide - Legal or Not?

[M Anthony]

It was an illegal side.
"Illegal slide (rule 2-32) Interpretation is that the runner must be able to reach the base with a hand or foot or it is interference. Can't roll block or throw cross body block "
View the slow-mo here
2012 MLB Postseason | NLCS Game 2: Cardinals on Holliday's slide - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia
An obvious body block.
The base runner should have been ejected.

[Adam]

I love playoff time on the forum.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by M Anthony

It was an illegal side.
"Illegal slide (rule 2-32) Interpretation is that the runner must be able to reach the base with a hand or foot or it is interference. Can't roll block or throw cross body block "
View the slow-mo here
2012 MLB Postseason | NLCS Game 2: Cardinals on Holliday's slide - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia
An obvious body block.
The base runner should have been ejected.

Ejected? This isn't a kiddie game here.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by M Anthony

"Illegal slide (rule 2-32) Interpretation is that the runner must be able to reach the base with a hand or foot or it is interference. Can't roll block or throw cross body block "

Just for my benefit, what are you quoting here?

Looked like a slide to me. He landed on his hip and stayed down through contact. A roll block or body block usually entails a runner staying high and/or rolling over so that he's basically hitting the fielder with his shoulders or back.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by [B

M Anthony][/B]"Illegal slide (rule 2-32) Interpretation is that the runner must be able to reach the base with a hand or foot or it is interference. Can't roll block or throw cross body block "

Originally Posted by Manny A

Just for my benefit, what are you quoting here?

Looked like a slide to me. He landed on his hip and stayed down through contact. A roll block or body block usually entails a runner staying high and/or rolling over so that he's basically hitting the fielder with his shoulders or back.

That is a FED rule quote

[dash_riprock]

It's not FED. It's from the MLBUM.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

It's not FED. It's from the MLBUM.

That's what I thought, but I don't have my MLBUM handy.

I still don't see a rolling block. Look at the super slo-mo replay starting at 0:36 of the video. He hits Scoot with his chest while keeping his hip down on the ground.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Manny A

That's what I thought, but I don't have my MLBUM handy.

I still don't see a rolling block. Look at the super slo-mo replay starting at 0:36 of the video. He hits Scoot with his chest while keeping his hip down on the ground.

Here are the Guidelines under 6.3 Willful And Deliberate Interference:

In sliding to a base, the runner should be able to reach the base with his hand or foot.

A runner who, in the judgment of the umpire, contacts or attempts to make contact with a fielder with a slide or roll block that is not a bona fide effort to reach and stay on the base may be called out for interference and, when appropriate, a double play may be called.

Any definite change in direction by the runner to contact the fielder would be considered interference.

If a runner hits the dirt, slides and rolls, it does not constitute a rolling block unless the runner leaves his feet and makes contact with the fielder before the runner slides on the ground. If the initial contact is with the fielder instead of the ground for the purpose of breaking up a double play, it is a roll block.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

NOT a violation in NCAA. In NCAA you can go straight through the base. There's a diagram illustrating it.

Wrong. It is a violation in NCAA baseball.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes, you can go through the base. But, you need to have a legal slide to do so. This wasn't (at that level).

Yep.

Originally Posted by Rich

Oh, there's a violation here. The path is the width of the base only and the contact is slightly to the left of the baseline -- with the contact occurring behind the base in this manner, I'm not giving the runner an inch of leeway. I'd call this in a heartbeat and feel quite good about it.

Yep. The NCAA put a video bulletin out this year that emphasizes that the runner's legs and torso have to go straight into the base. This is a blatant FPSR violation at the FED and NCAA level.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Here are the Guidelines under 6.3 Willful And Deliberate Interference:

In sliding to a base, the runner should be able to reach the base with his hand or foot.

A runner who, in the judgment of the umpire, contacts or attempts to make contact with a fielder with a slide or roll block that is not a bona fide effort to reach and stay on the base may be called out for interference and, when appropriate, a double play may be called.

Any definite change in direction by the runner to contact the fielder would be considered interference.

If a runner hits the dirt, slides and rolls, it does not constitute a rolling block unless the runner leaves his feet and makes contact with the fielder before the runner slides on the ground. If the initial contact is with the fielder instead of the ground for the purpose of breaking up a double play, it is a roll block.

Explain why he did not violate the underlined part.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

It's not FED. It's from the MLBUM.

You are correct, I saw the dash (excuse the pun) and thought FED.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

You are correct, I saw the dash (excuse the pun) and thought FED.

I wasn't aware illegal slide was in rule 2.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

I wasn't aware illegal slide was in rule 2.

The numbering convention in the MLBUM has nothing to do with the OBR numbers.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by M Anthony

It was an illegal side.
"Illegal slide (rule 2-32) Interpretation is that the runner must be able to reach the base with a hand or foot or it is interference. Can't roll block or throw cross body block "
View the slow-mo here
2012 MLB Postseason | NLCS Game 2: Cardinals on Holliday's slide - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia
An obvious body block.
The base runner should have been ejected.

This play contained neither a roll block or cross body block.