OBR 4.09(b) revisited.

[Gee]

You wrote,

"On a bases loaded walk with two out, the run scores, regardless of ensuing action."

But if the runner fails to touch home, in passing, among other things, he could be appealed for the out by the defense, so "Regardless of ensuing action" won't cut it but that wasn't my point.

My point was, and you mentioned it when you wrote:

"The force was created by the award. The award was to third. The award to third causes the previous runner on third to advance."

Of course I agree with the fact that the FORCE was created by the award but the award was to the batter and all consecutive runners and once R2 was put out, it removes R3 as a consecutive runner as well as him being forced home
just like there was no R2 when the play started. You must remember that the ball is still (a)live during this whole play.

Take a similar play R3 and R1, two outs. Batter grounds into the hole SS makes a great play and throws to second too late. R1 beats the play but slides past the base and is tagged out for the third out. Since R1 beat the play he has removed the force and R3 would score only if he scored before the tag out, I.E timing play. It puzzles me. G.

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The base is an award that occurred prior to the third out. Of course, there are exceptions to that (abandonment being one), but if the third out is caused by a player advancing beyond his award, the run still counts. This is not a timing play. c Action after the award does not cancel the award. [/B][/QUOTE]