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Originally posted by Gee
My point was, and you mentioned it when you wrote:
"The force was created by the award. The award was to third. The award to third causes the previous runner on third to advance."
Of course I agree with the fact that the FORCE was created by the award but the award was to the batter and all consecutive runners and once R2 was put out, it removes R3 as a consecutive runner as well as him being forced home
just like there was no R2 when the play started. You must remember that the ball is still (a)live during this whole play.
Take a similar play R3 and R1, two outs. Batter grounds into the hole SS makes a great play and throws to second too late. R1 beats the play but slides past the base and is tagged out for the third out. Since R1 beat the play he has removed the force and R3 would score only if he scored before the tag out, I.E timing play. It puzzles me. G.
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George, I think you're a little close to this one. Let me see if I can help. Consider this play:
R1, R2, 0 outs. Batter walks on Ball 4, but R1 was overzealous and slides by 2nd base where he is tagged out. Is R2 now in jeopardy before he reaches 3rd base?
I think the answer to that question is an unequivocal and resounding NO. R2's advance to 3rd is protected, same as R3's advance to home is protected on your original play.
Possession of a base is not normally gained until it is legally acquired by the running advancing to and touching the base, but with an
awarded base so long as the runner who was awarded that base subsequently fulfills all the legal requirements the base is actually acquired
at the moment of the award, when the force was still in effect. That's why R3 gets to keep his score.
It would be the same as saying that an appeal for a missed base cannot be a force out. It CAN, because the miss is considered to have occurred while the force was still in effect.
Hope this helps
Cheers