curious--- question about PU in CWS tonight

[SWFLguy]

The guy probably would not be there if he wasn't up to the job, and it looks like he is. However, if I'm not mistaken, I heard him verbalize "inside" on a called ball. I always thought that was strictly a no-no. It's been a long while since I worked college baseball. Has that changed?

[jicecone]

From what I hear this is becoming more of the norm. Not quite sure I agree with doing play by play but if it works for some, that is their business. I believe that most of the time when someone is asking the location of the pitch, it is because they don't agree with your call. Especially a catcher or pitcher. Just my opinion.

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by jicecone

From what I hear this is becoming more of the norm. Not quite sure I agree with doing play by play but if it works for some, that is their business. I believe that most of the time when someone is asking the location of the pitch, it is because they don't agree with your call. Especially a catcher or pitcher. Just my opinion.

There's a difference between asking to get disagreement across and asking in order to do a better job. A good catcher asks because they want to know where you're working so they can work within your view. If you're not seeing the low and out pitch, there's no reason for him to pound those spots if it's not going to work. If he's just asking to be an a-hole, then "outside of the zone" is a simple answer.

A little context simply lets them (hitter included) know where you have those borderline spots. Do you have that pitch low or do you have it out? For a ball at the knee but a tad outside, "ball, that's out" means to bring that back in and you got it.

If you're going to verbalize positions, you have to work hard on consistency because you're giving out more information. When you ring someone up on a pitch further out than your last "ball, out", you're going to catch some heat.

I've been verbalizing for a while now and it works well for me. At higher levels the catchers seem to expect it.

[johnnyg08]

I watched nearly all of the CWS and Super Regional games. More umpires than not were verbalizing balls.

It hasn't caught on for me yet, but the guys at the highest level other than pro ball are doing it, maybe there's something to it??

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

I watched nearly all of the CWS and Super Regional games. More umpires than not were verbalizing balls.

It hasn't caught on for me yet, but the guys at the highest level other than pro ball are doing it, maybe there's something to it??

The only thing to it is that they're miked up.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by briancurtin

At higher levels the catchers seem to expect it.

At higher levels the catcher shouldn't take long to determine the umpire's zone. They should be mostly consistent to begin with.

[johnnyg08]

So they only reason they're verbalizing is b/c they're miked?

[Tim C]

I have written about this before.

I verbalized the VERY close pitches. I did this as it cut the amount of chatter from people who could not recognize if the pitch was "just off the plate."

I would NEVER verbalize "up and down" . . . just inside/outside.

And, in closing, I would comment that 90% of my verbalized calls were "Inside!"

T

[jicecone]

Not being deragatory here but, I realize sometimes were not dealing with rocket scientists as catchers and as an ex-catcher myself I understood that there were only two reasons a pitch was called a ball.

1. It was outside of the umpires zone.
2. The umpire missed it.

A good catcher, after about 3 or four batters is always very capable of figuring this out. So I really have never bought into that adjustment stuff but, thats just me. In fact, many good catchers will set the scenario up early to get a feel for your zone. No questions necessary.

Having said that I always reply if asked and again if this works for others, go for it.

[kylejt]

Some umpires, for whatever reason, feel the need to say up, down, inside or outside. This happens at all levels. I've never understood it.

A great instructor once told me it was insecurity about their own calls. The needed to, somehow, justify their judgement.

Lots of umpires use a touch of "body english" to let folks know where it missed. A slight tilt one way, or another, just after the ball is caught. I've always thought that was very effective.

Good catchers know where you thought it missed, even if they don't agree. So do good coaches. No need to bother with the not so good ones, as they're not going to see the light anyways.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

I watched nearly all of the CWS and Super Regional games. More umpires than not were verbalizing balls.

It hasn't caught on for me yet, but the guys at the highest level other than pro ball are doing it, maybe there's something to it??

They're doing it in pro ball, too. You're just not hearing it.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Some umpires, for whatever reason, feel the need to say up, down, inside or outside. This happens at all levels. I've never understood it.

A great instructor once told me it was insecurity about their own calls. The needed to, somehow, justify their judgement.

Lots of umpires use a touch of "body english" to let folks know where it missed. A slight tilt one way, or another, just after the ball is caught. I've always thought that was very effective.

Good catchers know where you thought it missed, even if they don't agree. So do good coaches. No need to bother with the not so good ones, as they're not going to see the light anyways.

I'm baffled as to why they point across their body to signal a strike to a left handed hitter. What's that all about?

[BEAREF]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

I'm baffled as to why they point across their body to signal a strike to a left handed hitter. What's that all about?

I do that...but don't have a reason as to why...I just do it.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by BEAREF

I do that...but don't have a reason as to why...I just do it.

That's the consensus among my partners who point across their bodies on lefties. I don't do it, and when I ask them why they do, they just shrug.

Verbalizing pitches--I find those who do are generally like Tim C. I did it on three pitches last night; two outside, as opposed to low, and one low, as opposed to inside. Three in one game is about average for me.

It seemed to be a fad around here a few years ago, when it was all the rage and everyone (except me ) was doing it on every ball. Then it died down and only a few are still doing it on most balls.

Sorta like patent leather.

[David B]

Originally Posted by Tim C

I have written about this before.

I verbalized the VERY close pitches. I did this as it cut the amount of chatter from people who could not recognize if the pitch was "just off the plate."

I would NEVER verbalize "up and down" . . . just inside/outside.

And, in closing, I would comment that 90% of my verbalized calls were "Inside!"

T

Very well put and I agree, "inside" is the most questioned call.

Thanks
David