To Be Mad Or Not To Be Mad?

[BSUmp16]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

First off ... that's not what you said. What you said was,

I did not say that YOU were idiotic. I said that what you said was idiotic. And it was. You said nothing about the hat. What you did say is still idiotic. Your "relishing" comment being the cherry on top, as the person you were talking to said nothing about getting back at a coach, having an agenda, or looking to eject.

Oh baloney - It was clear from SDS's entire post, in context, what it was he was "relishing" to do.

And it was clear from my post that I was referring to what goes on in the dugout - which is why I mentioned the fact that the OP had UIC walking over to the dugout to engage the coaches and U1 also walking over to "get an angle" on the conversation. I said that "pissing & moaning" frequently goes on in the dugout, which is why you don't need rabbit ears. The point of my post was you shouldn't go looking for trouble because when you find it you bear some of the responsibility.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

Oh baloney - It was clear from SDS's entire post, in context, what it was he was "relishing" to do.

This is what makes your post idiotic. You are trying to put words in my mouth, when I never meant any such thing. Most good umpires I know want to go back to work teams that think they call the shots, and only to show that they don't get intimidated by such tactics. I enjoy that. I never go looking for trouble. You don't know me, so stop trying to act like you do.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

Oh baloney - It was clear from SDS's entire post, in context, what it was he was "relishing" to do.

Yes, it was... and not what you imply.

Put me in SDS's camp. If a coach tells me he won't play if I put a certain umpire on his field, I'm putting that umpire on his field. Not because they will have an itchy trigger finger, but because the coach needs to know that he doesn't call the shots regarding who I put out there. If a league ball coach tells me he doesn't want Joe on his field anymore, he gets Joe as often as possible until that coach can handle himself with Joe on the field.

(Very likely, I'm going to find myself in the vicinity of this field a few times)

When I'm not in charge, I would expect the same of my UIC's.

It should be noted that if it turns out Joe behaves in the manner suggested by you (quick trigger finger, or your favorite unnecessarily profane metaphor), I'm having a long talk with Joe... but I respect my umpires and my colleagues enough to not expect them to carry over animosity from one game to another.

This has NOTHING to do with what you imply (or say outright).

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

Oh baloney - It was clear from SDS's entire post, in context, what it was he was "relishing" to do.

You're spot on here. A good umpire wouldn't have all the controversy, thus "relishing" the opportunity to get back at a certain team or coach. Replace vindictive for relishing.

[asdf]

A good umpire would have nipped this in the bud on Friday.

If an encore performance by said team occurred on Sunday, then they have established the pattern of poor behaivor, not the umpire.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by asdf

a good umpire would have nipped this in the bud on friday.

If an encore performance by said team occurred on sunday, then they have established the pattern of poor behaivor, not the umpire.

+1

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

You're spot on here. A good umpire wouldn't have all the controversy, thus "relishing" the opportunity to get back at a certain team or coach. Replace vindictive for relishing.

The purpose of the OP was NOT about SDS's opinion, but what should have happened in the first place by tank. You are now putting blame on a post instead of the original poster. I just lost ALL respect for you! I know, you don't care, but I've always found you're posts entertaining and interesting, but now I just see them as vindictive.

The fact of the matter is, we not only officiate our games, but for those who come after us. We need to be on the same page so we are consistent with our approach. 12U coaches, especially, need to be held accountable for their actions, because those same 12 yr olds will soon become 18 yr olds. We have an obligation to not only call a good game, but have one as well.

Coaches at that level, who act like this, will never be a V coach. We have more knowledge than they will ever have. Don't let them think otherwise.

I will be damned if a coach at that level even throws his hat in the dugout about a call I just made. He would have my immediate attention. I am not saying I would show him up, but believe me, he would have a good talking to between innings.

We are all here for the kids, remember that!

And BSUmp16, let it go, you only have steven t on your side

[Rich]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

We are all here for the kids, remember that!

I really hate this phrase. I'm there for many reasons -- the kids are probably on the list, but nowhere near the top.

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by GROUPthink

I really hate this phrase. I'm there for many reasons -- the kids are probably on the list, but nowhere near the top.

It shows!

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

The purpose of the OP was NOT about SDS's opinion, but what should have happened in the first place by tank. You are now putting blame on a post instead of the original poster. I just lost ALL respect for you! I know, you don't care, but I've always found you're posts entertaining and interesting, but now I just see them as vindictive.

The fact of the matter is, we not only officiate our games, but for those who come after us. We need to be on the same page so we are consistent with our approach. 12U coaches, especially, need to be held accountable for their actions, because those same 12 yr olds will soon become 18 yr olds. We have an obligation to not only call a good game, but have one as well.

Coaches at that level, who act like this, will never be a V coach. We have more knowledge than they will ever have. Don't let them think otherwise.

I will be damned if a coach at that level even throws his hat in the dugout about a call I just made. He would have my immediate attention. I am not saying I would show him up, but believe me, he would have a good talking to between innings.

We are all here for the kids, remember that!

And BSUmp16, let it go, you only have steven t on your side

My personal take on the thread was, drum roll please, that SDS and mbcrowder were ganging up on BSUmp16. An all too common occurrence from a few posters around here. Respectively, disagree. If you can't see eye to eye, say your little piece, and head to the showers. Umpiring with hindsight is easy. I would think that Mr. Tank would learn from his experience, and handle the situation different next time.

I think we've all had situations that if seen again, we will learn from our mistakes, and handle it much better the next time. There was no need to go off on one poster who disagreed with the verbiage of another post. It's not good for business.

Anybody even remember what the original post was about? PS~It had nothing to do with SDS reliving his glory days. My parents always told me, "If you're good, you don't have to tell anyone. Others will say it for you".

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

My personal take on the thread was, drum roll please, that SDS and mbcrowder were ganging up on BSUmp16. An all too common occurrence from a few posters around here. Respectively, disagree. If you can't see eye to eye, say your little piece, and head to the showers. Umpiring with hindsight is easy. I would think that Mr. Tank would learn from his experience, and handle the situation different next time.

I think we've all had situations that if seen again, we will learn from our mistakes, and handle it much better the next time. There was no need to go off on one poster who disagreed with the verbiage of another post. It's not good for business.

Anybody even remember what the original post was about? PS~It had nothing to do with SDS reliving his glory days. My parents always told me, "If you're good, you don't have to tell anyone. Others will say it for you".

I've been with this thread since the beginning, and Mr. Tank didn't seem to take his lumps. The story kept changing and we all got confused. You came in as soon as Mr. SDS voiced his opinion. Look, I'm not taking sides, but we have to stay focused on the matter at hand. I do understand your point as to umpiring with hindsight, but that's what this board offers. Obviously we are not all out there at the same time situations occur.

I just wish you and SDS would kiss and make up

I'll still tune in to the morning show!

[tankmjg24]

The story does not keep changing. It has been the same from the beginning. I never stated that the coaches kept running out on the field to argue calls or that the coach threw his hat onto the field of play. My words might have been misinterpreted the way I initially wrote the post and I have tried to clarify multiple times.

On Friday, all of the disgruntled complaints came within the dugout and were not directly said to me but more in a way so that I would hear. When the coach tossed his hat within the dugout and acted the way he did this got my attention to the point of issuing a team warning. It worked for the day as I did not hear anything else come out of their dugout.

I post here in order to try and get advice on how to become a better umpire and how to interpret unique plays that happen to me. Within my initial post, I was not asking anything about how to handle the situation with the coaches, but asking about what the UIC did.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by tankmjg24

The story does not keep changing.

??????

I signal safe and Team B dugout erupts.

On Friday, all of the disgruntled complaints

Maybe it's me ... but erupts and disgruntled complaints are two completely different things. You got reaction to "Erupts" and "Throws his hat on the ground". Surely you can understand how the latter was not taken as being in the dugout.

I post here in order to try and get advice on how to become a better umpire and how to interpret unique plays that happen to me. Within my initial post, I was not asking anything about how to handle the situation with the coaches, but asking about what the UIC did.

But when you got advice (albeit not regarding what you THOUGHT you were asking for, but rather the coaches situation ... how were we to know you only wanted advice on one and not the other, especially since in many of our opinions, they are related), you rejected it and argued with it.

What you may be missing is that the poor handling of the coaches situation on Friday is exactly what got you into trouble on Sunday. Had Friday been handled properly, if Sunday even happened, you'd have coaches that shows an obvious pattern of behavior and your UIC might have acted more appropriately.

That said (and back to what you were actually asking initially) - I don't think ANYONE here disagrees with you that the UIC's actions were completely and wholely wrong. To the point that many here have stated they wouldn't work for such a person if they had the choice. Most UIC's (obviously not Steve or BS) would make a point of refusing the coach's demands and putting you back on their field on purpose. Your UIC did the opposite.

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by tankmjg24

...all of the disgruntled complaints came within the dugout and were not directly said to me but more in a way so that I would hear.

... which is a chicken$hit way of saying it directly to you. If you eject or warn in this situation, of course their retort will be, "I wasn't even talking to you!!" The best response to that is, "I know who you were talking to." It's not argumentative and it almost sounds as if you're agreeing with him. It avoids you getting into a pi$$ing match with an upset coach. All it says is, "I know what you did and in my opinion you did something worthy of an ejection/warning."

"I wasn't talking to you" is an attempt to deflect responsibility and/or guilt.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

I just wish you and SDS would kiss and make up

Agreed ... I'm tired of refereeing you two ... about to be some ejections!!