Major League Baseball Set to Outlaw the third to first move next year

[Tim C]

See I thought this was really easy when I first read everything and now some of you are confusing the issue.

The reason it is being eliminated is based on there is only one "legal" way to disengage from the pitcher's plate: to be legal F1 must "step back" to disengage.

On the Fake to 3rd and throw to 1st the disengagement comes illegally by dragging the pivot foot off the front edge of the plate.

It seemed awfully easy to understand.

IT IS NOT ABOUT THE FEINT . . . it is simply about legally disengaging.

Rules in sports are really a lot like the laws in our country. Many laws are interpreted so many times the actual wording is not always followed the interps are . . .

Same thing happens with sporting rules.

The fake-to-third fake was established in college baseball far before any major league pitcher used it.

Another "illegal" F1 motion is the "jab step" that was invented by Greg Maddox (or SanDiegoSteve). The quick step with the pivot foot toward 3rd (kinda) is just as illegal as the play we are talking about HOWEVER through "tradition" we allow the move.

Don't over think things.

T

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Tim C

See I thought this was really easy when I first read everything and now some of you are confusing the issue.

The reason it is being eliminated is based on there is only one "legal" way to disengage from the pitcher's plate: to be legal F1 must "step back" to disengage.

On the Fake to 3rd and throw to 1st the disengagement comes illegally by dragging the pivot foot off the front edge of the plate.

It comes because the pitcher has legally faked to third base and stepped to the base as part of the fake.

Quite frankly, this is a solution in search of a problem.

[Steven Tyler]

Why don't the correct all the errors, before they go changing a rule.

The way the rule is written in OBR, gorilla arm is illegal also.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Another "illegal" F1 motion is the "jab step" that was invented by Greg Maddox (or SanDiegoSteve).

Yes, It was I. It was right around the time when Al Gore invented the Internet.

[umpjim]

So, what will we have if a pitcher throws instead of feints? He has not legally dissengaged so I guess he can take the rubber hands together?
From my previous flying training regarding what you should mess with in the cockpit, actually after the training, when I was briefed by a line captain: "Don't touch nuttin you don't know nuttin about."

[Brad]

There are TONS of discussion boards on the internet where you can discuss politics ... this isn't one of them. Let's keep it to officiating please.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by Tim C

See I thought this was really easy when I first read everything and now some of you are confusing the issue.

The reason it is being eliminated is based on there is only one "legal" way to disengage from the pitcher's plate: to be legal F1 must "step back" to disengage.

On the Fake to 3rd and throw to 1st the disengagement comes illegally by dragging the pivot foot off the front edge of the plate.

It seemed awfully easy to understand.

IT IS NOT ABOUT THE FEINT . . . it is simply about legally disengaging.

Rules in sports are really a lot like the laws in our country. Many laws are interpreted so many times the actual wording is not always followed the interps are . . .

Same thing happens with sporting rules.

The fake-to-third fake was established in college baseball far before any major league pitcher used it.

Another "illegal" F1 motion is the "jab step" that was invented by Greg Maddox (or SanDiegoSteve). The quick step with the pivot foot toward 3rd (kinda) is just as illegal as the play we are talking about HOWEVER through "tradition" we allow the move.

Don't over think things.

T

A few years back I asked Jim Evans at a clinic if dragging the pivot foot off the rubber during a feint was a legal disengage. He said it was and the pitcher could now run at the runner.
I guess next year that won't be so. Ramifications might include not being able to throw to fielder not covering 2B or 3B.
It looks like the rule need not be changed, only the 8.05(c) comment and whatever the MLBUM says.

[Carl Childress]

Originally Posted by Tim C

The fake-to-third fake was established in college baseball far before any major league pitcher used it.

T, I don't think that's right. 8.05c CMT has been in the book a long time. Jim Evans implies it's been there since 1900.

I know when I started working NBC ball in 1956, the 3-1 move was legal and used occasionally.

In the Texas State American Legion Tournament in 1984, a left-handed pitcher tried the 1-3 move. I was on the bases and yelled: "That's a balk."

He said: "I do that in Houston all the time. Nobody ever balks that move."

I said: "I believe you."

I'll email Hunter and see if he has the exact language. Stick around. If I get it, I'll post it on MY website.