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JRutledge Thu May 03, 2012 02:16pm
This is why the 90 degree angle mechanic can be flawed big time.

Peace

Rich Thu May 03, 2012 02:21pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 840086)
This is why the 90 degree angle mechanic can be flawed big time.

Peace
He *wasn't* 90 degrees, though. He was considerably more than 90 degrees.

blueump Thu May 03, 2012 02:44pm
Looks out to me! :p

JRutledge Thu May 03, 2012 02:47pm
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Originally Posted by GROUPthink (Post 840087)
He *wasn't* 90 degrees, though. He was considerably more than 90 degrees.
I do not have a goniometer to know what actual degree he was in relationship to the bag. All I know if he was closer to the line, he would have seen clearly the foot being off the bag. He took his angle away and obviously seem to assume this was routine in nature.

Peace

Welpe Thu May 03, 2012 02:53pm
He looks to be about 45 degrees to me. Had he read the throw and adjusted better he could have gotten into a better position. But I also agree that 2-3 steps fair here would've been a much better angle.

mbyron Thu May 03, 2012 03:00pm
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 840090)
He looks to be about 45 degrees to me. Had he read the throw and adjusted better he could have gotten into a better position. But I also agree that 2-3 steps fair here would've been a much better angle.
If straight-lined, he would be 180°.

Welpe Thu May 03, 2012 03:03pm
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 840093)
If straight-lined, he would be 180°.
He's 180° to the fielder but not the throw.

505 ump Thu May 03, 2012 03:11pm
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 840094)
He's 180° to the fielder but not the throw.
never did like geometry:D

johnnyg08 Thu May 03, 2012 03:40pm
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Originally Posted by SE Minnestoa Re (Post 840040)
If I'm asked, I always check with the plate umpire. My goal is to get the play right.
Even if you know you're 100% right?

If so, that's not good umpiring.

JRutledge Thu May 03, 2012 03:49pm
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Originally Posted by SE Minnestoa Re (Post 840040)
If I'm asked, I always check with the plate umpire. My goal is to get the play right.
Always?

If that is the goal, why would you always ask the PU for help? What makes you think they see the game or angle that you do? And even if they see it, certainly does not mean they are right either. And we cannot compare what we do to what they do at the MLB.

And as said, coaches want things their way, they are not looking for what is right or correct based on the actual call.

Peace

SanDiegoSteve Thu May 03, 2012 06:59pm
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Originally Posted by jicecone (Post 840069)
Come on Steve, are'nt you busy enough already?
I do have a full plate keeping you in line, I must admit!;)

johnnyg08 Thu May 03, 2012 07:04pm
From somebody else..."Read Step"

DG Thu May 03, 2012 07:41pm
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 840042)
Keep an eye on the news, he may even have a comment about it.
If he does, he will blame the miss on Bush.

Rich Thu May 03, 2012 10:07pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 840089)
I do not have a goniometer to know what actual degree he was in relationship to the bag. All I know if he was closer to the line, he would have seen clearly the foot being off the bag. He took his angle away and obviously seem to assume this was routine in nature.

Peace
And then would miss a play where the foot was pulled off to the front of the base.

No position is the perfect one for all situations and all positions can be improved by taking a read step when necessary.

REFANDUMP Thu May 03, 2012 11:12pm
We've all missed reasonably close calls. A call missed this bad at the major league level, FIRED TOMORROW !!! INEXCUSABLE !!!


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