Does it behoove the B/R...? - Page 6

Lapopez · #76 (**permalink**) Sun Mar 25, 2012, 05:05pm

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Originally Posted by saump

ba, i wasn't the one holding the ****ty end of the stick. I agreed to allow the run to score. I already wiped my hands of it. You allow it to be recorded by the scorekeeper and that's ok with me.

wobw.

Lapopez · #77 (**permalink**) Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:07pm

SAump, you've been awfully busy deleting your posts. That's peculiar.

SanDiegoSteve · #78 (**permalink**) Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:51pm

Lapopez, I hope you weren't expecting logic from SAUmp anytime soon.

celebur · #79 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 26, 2012, 01:38pm

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Originally Posted by Lapopez

SAump, you've been awfully busy deleting your posts. That's peculiarly dishonest.

There, fixed it for you.

Matt · #80 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 26, 2012, 09:56pm

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Originally Posted by SAump

We must now determine the BR's status BEFORE that 3rd out was made.
3) The defense can appeal the batter's status before the 3rd out was made.

No, they can't. He had not committed an infraction.

Matt · #81 (**permalink**) Tue Mar 27, 2012, 12:00am

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Originally Posted by SAump

No infraction, no appeal. I got that and I thank you for the info. Is this new interpretation suppose to make things easier or more difficult for the umpire?

If a batter's failure to acquire 1st base prior to the 3rd out were an infraction, then I could accept that appeal and wipe off that run at the end of the ballgame like other similar rules allow. Baseball remains very simple. There I go looking for an infraction, but I have been down that road. Let me see if I understand you and can follow your logic, and take this shorter route back towards a simple game.

My Ex. OP. R1 touches 1st base prior to 3rd out tag of R2. Score fielder's choice, score run, score single, score RBI. See, someone is watching and each player has a simple option to rule upon.

Your Ex. OP. R1 touches 1st base after R2 is tagged. Score run, score error and score fielder's choice, score base never reached, score no credit for RBI. See, now I have to reinvent the current method of scoring my ballgame. Why does BR have to run the bases after a walk, or home run? Can't you just give them credit too.

I think I prefer my way, or the current way of doing things. But if I must travel down this road and this is the new rule and I accept it, how do I connect a base never reached by a non-forced runner, to base never acquired by the batter? IOW, how do I score that last play of the half inning.

Please keep it simple for me.

Go read the rules. BR is scored LOB.

MD Longhorn · #82 (**permalink**) Tue Mar 27, 2012, 08:57am

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Originally Posted by SAump

3) The defense can appeal the batter's status before the 3rd out was made.

You're aware that the word "appeal" has a specific meaning in baseball, and it doesn't just mean "to ask about". You "appeal" an infraction. I see no logic or rule support for "appealing the batter's status".

That said ... the batter's status at the moment the 3rd out was made is "not out" He has not been tagged and neither has 1st base.

Lapopez · #83 (**permalink**) Tue Mar 27, 2012, 07:12pm

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Originally Posted by SAump

So it isn't an appeal play either. Then the umpire must enforce the rule, right?

The umpire must enforce MLB rule 8-5j which states that NO run may score on any play when the third out is ... the result of a batter-runner's failure to reach first base safely.

Refer to OP. We have any play. We have the third out. We have a result of the batter-runner's failure. We have a base never reached. Seems to me like it meets all the requirements to fulfill the proper ruling, NO run may score.

Had the batter reached base safely, the run would score. But the batter hit the ball to F5 who tagged R3 before BR could reach base safely. The batter failed to reach base safely, whether he was liable or not liable to be put out by rule 6.08, 6.09, or 7.01.

It is not F5's fault the BR failed to reach base safely. It was his job to make sure BR would not reach base safely. He did his job by tagging R2. The fact that R3 scored on the play and the umpire refused to wipe the run off the board, as per rule 8.05j above is the only reason I continue this discussion.

Is there a protocol for requesting to a moderator that a thread be closed? Last night, before deleting it, he threatened to delete the whole thread (not that I think he could). This is ridiculous. He's referencing completely irrelevant rules and misquoting others. The thread has run its course.

yawetag · #84 (**permalink**) Tue Mar 27, 2012, 07:46pm

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Originally Posted by SAump

The umpire must enforce MLB rule 8-5j which states that NO run may score on any play when the third out is ... the result of a batter-runner's failure to reach first base safely.

OBR rule 8.05(j) states: If there is a runner, or runners, it is a balk when the pitcher, after coming to a legal pitching position, removes one hand from the ball other than in an actual pitch, or in throwing to a base.

OBR 4.09(a)(1) is what you meant to quote. However, there's one word you missed, and I'll highlight it for you: One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning. EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made by the batter-runner before he touches first base.

Your third out wasn't by the batter-runner, it was by R2.

SanDiegoSteve · #85 (**permalink**) Tue Mar 27, 2012, 08:36pm

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Originally Posted by Lapopez

Is there a protocol for requesting to a moderator that a thread be closed? Last night, before deleting it, he threatened to delete the whole thread (not that I think he could). This is ridiculous. He's referencing completely irrelevant rules and misquoting others. The thread has run its course.

He can't delete the whole thread, only you can do that since you started the thread. I told you not to expect logic.

yawetag · #86 (**permalink**) Tue Mar 27, 2012, 08:52pm

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Originally Posted by SAump

Perhaps it was NCAA or FED or J/R. It was a pdf file. Can someone help me out?

Fed is 9-1-1 Exception a: A runner scores one run each time he legally advances to and touches first, second, third and then home plate before there are three outs to end the inning. EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home plate during action in which the third out is made as follows: by the batter-runner before he touches first base

NCAA is 5-6-c-Exception 1: When a batter becomes a runner and touches all bases legally, the individual shall score one run for that team. Exception—A run is not scored if a runner touches home plate while the third out is made on: The batter or proper batter-runner before the player touches first base

You'll notice all three rule books specifically state the third out is made BY or ON the batter-runner before he reaches first base.

Would a professional interpretation situation make you realize how quickly your boat is sinking?

yawetag · #87 (**permalink**) Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:14pm

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Originally Posted by SAump

it was NCAA rule 8 base running section 5 a runner is out When J something approved ruling 1. Could you put that up here please?

8-5-j: A runner is out when the individual fails to reach the next base before a fielder tags the runner or the base after the runner has been forced to advance because the batter became a runner.

Matt · #88 (**permalink**) Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:40pm

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Originally Posted by Lapopez

Is there a protocol for requesting to a moderator that a thread be closed? Last night, before deleting it, he threatened to delete the whole thread (not that I think he could). This is ridiculous. He's referencing completely irrelevant rules and misquoting others. The thread has run its course.

For some reason, they let him keep posting his drivel. Those of us who have been here a while know he's a dip****, while the newbies who actually want to learn get confused by his verbal diarrhea.

The amount that he posts is directly proportional to the irrelevance of this board, which is a shame.

Steven Tyler · #89 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 29, 2012, 12:55am

You think this is bad, wait until you hear SAump's take on the Kennedy assassination.

Something to do about a "magic" rising fastball............

Publius · #90 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 29, 2012, 05:10pm

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Originally Posted by Lapopez

Is there a protocol for requesting to a moderator that a thread be closed?...The thread has run its course.

I hope not. This forum has become better reading without an egoist moderator playing emperor concerning when a thread has "run its course." A thread has run its course when everybody stops commenting on it.

Many people gain greater understanding (not just knowledge) by parsing what's wrong than they do by blindly accepting what's right.