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Thu Sep 14, 2000, 09:02am
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Addressed mostly to Rog:
As I said I do not work youth games and have no expereince in 'working the crowd" in that sitch. Again, I do my work ON THE FIELD. The crowd, and its activities, is of little interest to me. With the exceptions as listed above, I cannot picture ejecting a fan for simple being a jerk. ------------------ Strikes & Outs 
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Thu Sep 14, 2000, 01:14pm
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by mikesears:
[B]Allow me to relate a story that has gone around our local baseball association. The umpire I write about is a close friend of mine. Legion game, my umpire friend is doing his second game behind the plate on a 95+ degree day. Two 80 year old men are in the stands directly behind home plate. The first game, they have given my friend h*ll about his outside corner on every cloas pitch. The second game in the 3rd or 4th inning, my friend had enough. He called timeout, went back to the fence, and had a conversation like the following: Mike I had a similiar experience - Very Hot day, working the "dish" - being heckled by a parent. About the top of the 4th, I went over to this fan and basically said I agree with your assessment. I said to him I am having a bad day and IT'S OBVIOUS YOU CAN DO A MUCH BETTER JOB so I'll tell you what. I have had enough for today - I would like to take a rest, sit in some shade and have a nice tall glass of lemonade. You can finish the game for me and also I'll give you the fee as well. You can even use my equipment. This particular fan just looked at me - sat back down and I didn't hear a peep out of him the rest of the game. In fact when it was over he said Good Job Blue. Just wanted to share Pete Booth
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Mon Sep 18, 2000, 08:48am
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Most certainly addressed to T Alan; and, anyone else doing Fed ball - take a peek at this site for some interesting reading:
www.nfhs.org/case_for_sportsmanship.htm quote:
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Mon Sep 18, 2000, 09:48am
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Rog:
Read that before it was posted. I stand by my position. It is of NO INTEREST to me what weak umpires do with 'crowd control'. Work your damn game . . . keep your attention on what happens inside the boards and these transgressions by non-participants will not impact anything. Rog, pay attention to your game. ------------------ Strikes & Outs
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Mon Sep 18, 2000, 01:54pm
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Dave, Dave, Dave . . . you are starting to sound more like Carl all the time.
WHEN a player or coach is ejected THEY ARE NOT A SPECTATOR. Your example is a GAME issue not crowd control. Any umpire that would allow an ejected participant to remain in the field are has developed his own "Kettle of Fish". I stated that there could be RARE times when an umpire would need to get assistance from an administrator and have someone ejected . . . say ONCE in a career . . . however, I do stand by the statement that weak umpires have crowd problems (or ACTUALLY are affected by those activities). I don't umpire in the stands. ------------------ Strikes & Outs
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Mon Sep 18, 2000, 04:20pm
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Dave I agree with your assessment.
Even in PRO Ball - if a fan gets unruly - they are escorted from the ballpark by security. In most games we umpire, there isn't a full fledged security department at our disposal. While I do not engage with Fans myself - If they become so unruly as to REALLY disrupt the game - one has no choice but to get them to leave. In LL or HS, the Fans are right on top of the action, and if a fan is irrate , belligerent and just making an a@@@SS out of himself, there really is no choice. Fans can DIRECTLY effect what happens inside the Dead Ball Area with their constant heckling and belligerent behavior. I agree with you - This is not the sign of a "weak" umpire. They do not pay me enough to put up with constant abuse from fans. It's ok to "let me have it" but then move on as was the case in your games. Remember, we have to walk to our cars after the game - We do not want some irrate fan waiting for us. Perhaps T Allen does a lot of college / Minor Pro Ball where the stands are not right on top of you as in HS or LL. Also, in college and in Minor Ball, there is probably more security around than we have at our disposal. Pete Booth
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Mon Sep 18, 2000, 04:43pm
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Pete my point has NOTHING to do with closeness of fans, or if there is secuirty present . . .
My point to be precise is: FANS are not part of my game. With the exception of a drunken fan I cannot picture having a situation where I (note this is MY GAME - not yours, not Rog's - it is my game) would eject a fan. I do not work Small Ball - I simply ACCEPT that fans are fans and I do nothing to control them. It is the responsibility of the site administration (and if there is none - then the home coach) to police this activity. I am not rying to convince ANY of you to do things my way . . . I simply have answered HOW I FEEL about this issue. Weak umpires (now don't confuse weak with bad - the are plenty of STRON BAD umpires) put themselves in the position of trying to make up for their weaknesses by policing the crowd. My dad, who also flew airplanes, once TOLD ME: "Tee, just remember a landing is just an ORGANIZED crash!" ------------------ Strikes & Outs
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Mon Sep 18, 2000, 09:29pm
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I've been spending the last couple hours chugging down nutrients; so, please bear with me while I attempt to get this message down before I lose my strength.
Short and sweet: We're either part of the solution; or, part of the problem. With all the recent onslaught media attention and articles regarding fan outrage; and, attacks on officials it seems that some type of intervention is in order. Personally, I'd rather be part of the solution - than another statistic! quote:
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