Balk during full windup?

[frozenrope22]

RHP pitching from full windup. Base loaded. Hands together in front with both feet on rubber. Small step with left foot to side to start his motion. Right pivot foot rotates on rubber. Hands come down and separate. As left foot comes up and body rotates pitcher swings hands back up together. As he strides forward he separates hands again and pitches. All this is in one fluid motion. No stops, jerks or hitches. Is this a balk for double set because hands come together twice? NFHS rules. Umpire warned pitcher and he didn't do it anymore.

[dash_riprock]

He's allowed two pumps.

[bob jenkins]

Legal.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

He's allowed two pumps.

I've seen this in print, but I'm having trouble finding where it is in the rules. Anybody with a citation?

[MD Longhorn]

Welcome back Steve!

The answer to your question is that it's not there. But it's not prohibited.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by sandiegosteve

i've seen this in print, but i'm having trouble finding where it is in the rules. Anybody with a citation?

6-1-2

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

6-1-2

Oh, in the Calvin Ball, er, NFHS rules. Gotcha! I knew I had seen it someplace.

Does that make the pitcher a "two-pump chump?"

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

6-1-2

More than two pumps: NCAA 7-5-b Penalty "Ball" with bases unoccupied. 8-3-k "Balk" with runners on base.

[frozenrope22]

Thanks for the information. I actually looked up old footage of the old time pitchers and saw that they had a similar motion. However, I couldn't find any recent examples so wasn't sure on the rule. Thanks again.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

6-1-2

Are you referring to the rule book since you used dashes, Dash?

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

Are you referring to the rule book since you used dashes, Dash?

Yes. FED Rule book since the OP specified NFHS rules.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by frozenrope22

RHP pitching from full windup.Base loaded. Hands together in front with both feet on rubber. Small step with left foot to side to start his motion. Right pivot foot rotates on rubber. Hands come down and separate. As left foot comes up and body rotates pitcher swings hands back up together. As he strides forward he separates hands again and pitches. All this is in one fluid motion. No stops, jerks or hitches. Is this a balk for double set because hands come together twice? NFHS rules. Umpire warned pitcher and he didn't do it anymore.

Hard to double set when you're not in the set. Can't fail to come set in the windup either.

[MD Longhorn]

Umpire was wrong. This is one of those "looks funny so I'm calling a balk" moments (although he warned in this case - double bad). It's funny, perhaps... but PU needs to ask himself - exactly what rule was broken. When you can't answer that, looks funny is not a balk.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by frozenrope22

RHP pitching from full windup. Base loaded. Hands together in front with both feet on rubber. Small step with left foot to side to start his motion. Right pivot foot rotates on rubber. Hands come down and separate. As left foot comes up and body rotates pitcher swings hands back up together. As he strides forward he separates hands again and pitches. All this is in one fluid motion. No stops, jerks or hitches. Is this a balk for double set because hands come together twice? NFHS rules. Umpire warned pitcher and he didn't do it anymore.

It is perfectly legal, and this type of delivery with the extra pump was used extensively by pitchers back in the 30s and 40s, as is evidenced on old films.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

It is perfectly legal, and this type of delivery with the extra pump was used extensively by pitchers back in the 30s and 40s, as is evidenced on old films.

To be fair, though, a lot of what pitchers did in the 30s and 40s is illegal now.