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JRutledge Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:19am
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Originally Posted by kylejt (Post 784912)
Easy now, fellas. Remember, I'm just talking about MLB here. Not what we do. If a guy turns around says $#!+ to me, yeah, he's getting run. But it's different at that level. You let him have his say, and as long as he's moving on, you don't chase him with your mask off. That's the way most handle it.
But you got on basketball officials about a week ago for not putting up with crap and now you are upset that a manager is yelling at someone not in a discussion and he gets tossed as a result. At least be consistent that is all.

Peace

ozzy6900 Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:31am
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 784852)
Apparently the video didn't show the umpires coming together to discuss whether or not anybody saw the batter get hit. This ejection came after Joe had already started back to third and got most of the way there.

If you convince the umpires to come together and discuss something like this, you should be prepared to get run if you go off the deep end (especially while gesturing) afterwards.

There's a cut at 0:20.

Watch at 10:20 of this:

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | 8/28/11 Condensed Game: WSH@CIN - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia -- at 10:40 Holbrook calls the crew in. Then *this* video is cut. It's resumed after the ejection and Johnson headed up to third.

Gesturing like that is going to get you run, especially in the Major Leagues. It's probably going to get you run from any game I work, too.

Of course this just lets the usual suspects get another dig in at Joe West for doing his job.
Well, Rich, after seeing the video you provided, I will say that I would eject any manager yelling or gesturing like that. My vote is Joe West was absolutely correct in dumping Johnson.

Those who think that only the PU could make the ejection have obviously never worked with me (and probably never will, either). I'll dump a rat in a New York minute when they deserve it and if you (my partner) doesn't have the balls to do it, I get the job done.

Rich Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:33am
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Originally Posted by ozzy6900 (Post 784972)
Well, Rich, after seeing the video you provided, I will say that I would eject any manager yelling or gesturing like that. My vote is Joe West was absolutely correct in dumping Johnson.

Those who think that only the PU could make the ejection have obviously never worked with me (and probably never will, either). I'll dump a rat in a New York minute when they deserve it and if you (my partner) doesn't have the balls to do it, I get the job done.
Yup. My reaction exactly. If I unintentionally softened my answer, I didn't mean to. I have no problems ejecting people who deserve to be ejected.

Some people here just have a hard-on for that particular umpire.

BigUmp56 Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:35am
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 784970)
But you got on basketball officials about a week ago for not putting up with crap and now you are upset that a manager is yelling at someone not in a discussion and he gets tossed as a result. At least be consistent that is all.

Peace
Jeff,

I think Kyle was on the other side of that discussion, wondering why basketball officials appear to him to be taking too much crap.

That make his opinions pretty consistent.


Tim.

JRutledge Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:44am
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Originally Posted by BigUmp56 (Post 784974)
Jeff,

I think Kyle was on the other side of that discussion, wondering why basketball officials appear to him to be taking too much crap.

That make his opinions pretty consistent.


Tim.
I do not think he understands basketball officiating to be honest. So his comments now are to suggest that West should just sit there and get yelled at and have a coach gesturing at him all day long. Based on his comments about basketball officials, they should not take that crap at all. Now he is getting on a guy for not putting up with that crap and he is being critical. So which is it? Either it is OK to get yelled at from a distance or it is not? His critique was that basketball officials should be dumping coaches for yelling at them. West was yelled at, he dumped the guy.

Peace

BigUmp56 Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:50am
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 784980)
I do not think he understands basketball officiating to be honest. So his comments now are to suggest that West should just sit there and get yelled at and have a coach gesturing at him all day long. Based on his comments about basketball officials, they should not take that crap at all. Now he is getting on a guy for not putting up with that crap and he is being critical. So which is it? Either it is OK to get yelled at from a distance or it is not? His critique was that basketball officials should be dumping coaches for yelling at them. West was yelled at, he dumped the guy.

Peace
I hear you, Jeff. But I agree with Kyle (with the caveat that I don't know exactly what was said), that JW did appear to be overstepping by running this guy from such a distance. I thought the PU should have given him the heave-ho.

Tim.

JRutledge Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:55am
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Originally Posted by BigUmp56 (Post 784983)
I hear you, Jeff. But I agree with Kyle (with the caveat that I don't know exactly what said), that JW did appear to be overstepping by running this guy from such a distance. I thought the PU should have given him the heave-ho.

Tim.
That is fine if you agree, but he claimed that basketball officials just take crap and do nothing about it. Now he wants a manager that is yelling at an umpire and that umpire should just ignore or walk away. You start yelling at me I do not care what distance you are doing it. I have the right to take action. I also do not know what was said, but my name comes up and we will have a problem.

Peace

kylejt Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:34pm
There's a little disconnect here, guys.

My real beef was at about 9:30 in that video. PU rings up the BR on an outside pitch. BR says something to the PU, and walks off. THEN the PU pulls his mask off, follows the batter toward the dugout, and fires back at him. No need for that, IMO.

SanDiegoSteve Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:35pm
Joe West is not everyone's cup of vodka. However, he has a ton of MLB experience, and has his own style, and it rubs people the wrong way. His mechanics are lazy and plodding, and he doesn't take any crap, and this seems to bother some folks. He has every right to eject anyone for gesturing and yelling in his direction. As has been said, the PU decided not to take action, thereby leaving it all up to Joe to man up and throw Johnson out. Sure, the PU is not supposed to chase the offender for just "having his say," but what exactly was said? If it was something offensive, then I'm going to chase and run the guy myself. If I have to take my mask off to deal with somebody, they are getting run. Period.

zm1283 Thu Sep 01, 2011 06:10pm
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Originally Posted by BigUmp56 (Post 784983)
I hear you, Jeff. But I agree with Kyle (with the caveat that I don't know exactly what was said), that JW did appear to be overstepping by running this guy from such a distance. I thought the PU should have given him the heave-ho.

Tim.
If I'm the PU and a manager/coach directs a gesture at one of my more experienced partners like this and I try to step in and take care of business, I would probably be seen as stepping on his toes and trying to handle his business for him. The manager directed his gesture at Joe, so Joe dumped him.

There are a few things that West does that aren't advisable at any other level, but he gets a bad rap overall. He handled this just fine.

BigUmp56 Thu Sep 01, 2011 08:15pm
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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 785083)
If I'm the PU and a manager/coach directs a gesture at one of my more experienced partners like this and I try to step in and take care of business, I would probably be seen as stepping on his toes and trying to handle his business for him. The manager directed his gesture at Joe, so Joe dumped him.

There are a few things that West does that aren't advisable at any other level, but he gets a bad rap overall. He handled this just fine.
I guess I don't see grabbing his ear and pointing toward the dugout to imply that he could hear the HBP from there reason enough to eject a manager at the MLB level.

Tim.

Umpmazza Fri Sep 02, 2011 07:53am
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Originally Posted by ozzy6900 (Post 784972)
well, rich, after seeing the video you provided, i will say that i would eject any manager yelling or gesturing like that. My vote is joe west was absolutely correct in dumping johnson.

Those who think that only the pu could make the ejection have obviously never worked with me (and probably never will, either). I'll dump a rat in a new york minute when they deserve it and if you (my partner) doesn't have the balls to do it, i get the job done.
+1

MikeStrybel Sat Sep 03, 2011 09:27am
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 784980)
I do not think he understands basketball officiating to be honest. So his comments now are to suggest that West should just sit there and get yelled at and have a coach gesturing at him all day long. Based on his comments about basketball officials, they should not take that crap at all. Now he is getting on a guy for not putting up with that crap and he is being critical. So which is it? Either it is OK to get yelled at from a distance or it is not? His critique was that basketball officials should be dumping coaches for yelling at them. West was yelled at, he dumped the guy.

Peace
Good morning Jeff, I just want to ask this: We are working together and you've had a few coin flip calls that go against the same team. Late in the game, I have a banger at the dish that is an out against his team. He comes out and is upset at my call. While questioning it, he points to you a few times and says, "I expect calls like that from him but not you, Blue." Do you dump him?

Just asking.

JRutledge Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:03pm
If a coach starts yelling at me then he has made me apart of the conversation. If I feel so inclined then yes I would have no problem dumping a coach.

Peace

MikeStrybel Sat Sep 03, 2011 01:21pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 785342)
If a coach starts yelling at me then he has made me apart of the conversation. If I feel so inclined then yes I would have no problem dumping a coach.

Peace
That is not what I asked.


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