Joe West ejects Davey Johnson
 

So, the third base umpire ejects a manager who is arguing with the PU?

If I am the PU, I am not pleased.


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So Davey Johnson can stand there and yell at Joe but Joe is supposed to keep his mouth shut? Give me a break.

The Plate Umpire can toss him...isn't that how you have seen it done EVERY SINGLE TIME?

Johnson was yelling at Joe West. He is the crew chief. West ejects Johnson. I see it happen all the time. Holbrook could care less if West runs him.

I did not see him yelling at Joe West

Look at the video starting at 20 seconds - he's looking right at West. He looks to be yelling something, pointing with his left hand, and pointing to his head with his right hand, then starts walking towards West presumably once he gets dumped.


(No idea what he said, how it was said, what else went on - just pointing out that he was saying something to West)

Joe being Joe. When, oh when will he hang up his spurs? He had no business in the call or EJ. No one was pointing at. The manager was pointing toward the dugout, and saying he could hear it in there. Not toward Joe, but he still sticks his chins in where they don't belong.

(p.s. does he pocket all that Wilson sponsorship $ ? I know the umpires don't see dollar one, only a few pieces of gear a year.)

Apparently the video didn't show the umpires coming together to discuss whether or not anybody saw the batter get hit. This ejection came after Joe had already started back to third and got most of the way there.

If you convince the umpires to come together and discuss something like this, you should be prepared to get run if you go off the deep end (especially while gesturing) afterwards.

There's a cut at 0:20.

Watch at 10:20 of this:

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=18562715 -- at 10:40 Holbrook calls the crew in. Then *this* video is cut. It's resumed after the ejection and Johnson headed up to third.

Gesturing like that is going to get you run, especially in the Major Leagues. It's probably going to get you run from any game I work, too.

Of course this just lets the usual suspects get another dig in at Joe West for doing his job.

I was prepared to say something about Joe West, but it appears he was being yelled at. The video was clearly edited.

Peace

Also watch around 9:30, where the PU takes his mask off and follows the batter off the circle. Let the guy have his say, and let him walk off. He didn't turn around, and show you up.

Look, the MLB is show business, and nobody, I mean nobody, aside from some umpire geeks, paid to watch the arbitors.

And what does that mean? I guess that the players should be disrespectful and the umpires should just take it? I find it funny if the umpires did anything to the players or coaches like they do to them, then people would be upset and say they stepped over their bounds. But the players and coaches can rant and rave, pout like children and the umpires are supposed to look the other way. Unbelievable!!!!!

Peace

You have no idea what was said to the PU.

It's ironinc that you are getting on the guys in this case for "manning up" like you want the basketball guys to do.

The best thing about this is the next pitch. STFD.

You're talking like a rat, now. Congratulations.

Easy now, fellas. Remember, I'm just talking about MLB here. Not what we do. If a guy turns around says $#!+ to me, yeah, he's getting run. But it's different at that level. You let him have his say, and as long as he's moving on, you don't chase him with your mask off. That's the way most handle it.

But you got on basketball officials about a week ago for not putting up with crap and now you are upset that a manager is yelling at someone not in a discussion and he gets tossed as a result. At least be consistent that is all.

Peace

Well, Rich, after seeing the video you provided, I will say that I would eject any manager yelling or gesturing like that. My vote is Joe West was absolutely correct in dumping Johnson.

Those who think that only the PU could make the ejection have obviously never worked with me (and probably never will, either). I'll dump a rat in a New York minute when they deserve it and if you (my partner) doesn't have the balls to do it, I get the job done.

Yup. My reaction exactly. If I unintentionally softened my answer, I didn't mean to. I have no problems ejecting people who deserve to be ejected.

Some people here just have a hard-on for that particular umpire.

Jeff,

I think Kyle was on the other side of that discussion, wondering why basketball officials appear to him to be taking too much crap.

That make his opinions pretty consistent.


Tim.

I do not think he understands basketball officiating to be honest. So his comments now are to suggest that West should just sit there and get yelled at and have a coach gesturing at him all day long. Based on his comments about basketball officials, they should not take that crap at all. Now he is getting on a guy for not putting up with that crap and he is being critical. So which is it? Either it is OK to get yelled at from a distance or it is not? His critique was that basketball officials should be dumping coaches for yelling at them. West was yelled at, he dumped the guy.

Peace

I hear you, Jeff. But I agree with Kyle (with the caveat that I don't know exactly what was said), that JW did appear to be overstepping by running this guy from such a distance. I thought the PU should have given him the heave-ho.

Tim.

That is fine if you agree, but he claimed that basketball officials just take crap and do nothing about it. Now he wants a manager that is yelling at an umpire and that umpire should just ignore or walk away. You start yelling at me I do not care what distance you are doing it. I have the right to take action. I also do not know what was said, but my name comes up and we will have a problem.

Peace

There's a little disconnect here, guys.

My real beef was at about 9:30 in that video. PU rings up the BR on an outside pitch. BR says something to the PU, and walks off. THEN the PU pulls his mask off, follows the batter toward the dugout, and fires back at him. No need for that, IMO.

Joe West is not everyone's cup of vodka. However, he has a ton of MLB experience, and has his own style, and it rubs people the wrong way. His mechanics are lazy and plodding, and he doesn't take any crap, and this seems to bother some folks. He has every right to eject anyone for gesturing and yelling in his direction. As has been said, the PU decided not to take action, thereby leaving it all up to Joe to man up and throw Johnson out. Sure, the PU is not supposed to chase the offender for just "having his say," but what exactly was said? If it was something offensive, then I'm going to chase and run the guy myself. If I have to take my mask off to deal with somebody, they are getting run. Period.

If I'm the PU and a manager/coach directs a gesture at one of my more experienced partners like this and I try to step in and take care of business, I would probably be seen as stepping on his toes and trying to handle his business for him. The manager directed his gesture at Joe, so Joe dumped him.

There are a few things that West does that aren't advisable at any other level, but he gets a bad rap overall. He handled this just fine.

I guess I don't see grabbing his ear and pointing toward the dugout to imply that he could hear the HBP from there reason enough to eject a manager at the MLB level.

Tim.

+1

Good morning Jeff, I just want to ask this: We are working together and you've had a few coin flip calls that go against the same team. Late in the game, I have a banger at the dish that is an out against his team. He comes out and is upset at my call. While questioning it, he points to you a few times and says, "I expect calls like that from him but not you, Blue." Do you dump him?

Just asking.

If a coach starts yelling at me then he has made me apart of the conversation. If I feel so inclined then yes I would have no problem dumping a coach.

Peace

That is not what I asked.

Not sure what you want to know Mike. Because if you are talking to a coach and he is talking to you I would not be in the conversation as a general rule. The minute he puts me in it, I have a say. A lot of this would also depend on the pre-game we have and the philosophy we agreed upon before the game. This is something I always want to talk about when talking with partners.

Peace

He shouldn't have to. You should have taken care of it first.

Are you going on something other than the two linked videos? Both of those videos have obviously had portions cut out, so we can't tell from them exactly what the manager did to get run.

My opinion is based on what's shown here in this thread. I thought I had mentioned earlier in the thread that there was a caveat to my opinion, which is the lack of knowledge of exactly what was said.

Tim.

Thank you. That was my point.

Yes, you mentioned a caveat about not knowing exactly what was said, but my point is that both videos have cuts, so we don't even know exactly what happened. That means we can't really determine why West ejected Johnson. We weren't shown everything. If there is an uncut video, we might get more.