The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Baseball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jul 24, 2011, 06:57pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 208
Alomar-Hirschbeck

At about the same time as Roberto Alomar was being inducted into the HOF, John Hirschbeck caught a foul ball in the groin. The game had to be delayed 5 minutes before Hirschbeck was revived and continued the game. What a coincidence.

St. Louis Cardinals vs. Pittsburgh Pirates - Recap - July 24, 2011 - ESPN
__________________
A Double Bonus is not really double.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jul 24, 2011, 07:07pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 7,620
He got hit there a week or so ago, too. Bad season, I guess.
__________________
Cheers,
mb
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jul 24, 2011, 07:56pm
Rich's Avatar
Get away from me, Steve.
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 15,736
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbyron View Post
He got hit there a week or so ago, too. Bad season, I guess.
He got hit there July 13. There's also a video uploaded in April that shows the same thing. On top of that, he also had testicular cancer and missed much of 2009. So he got hit in the ball, I guess.

Really bad luck.

Last edited by Rich; Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 07:59pm.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jul 24, 2011, 08:58pm
DG DG is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 4,022
I completely miss a point to this post. Had someone spit on Hirshbeck at the same time as HOF induction I might see a point.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jul 24, 2011, 08:58pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,107
MLB.com video - Hirschbeck hurt by foul ball
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jul 24, 2011, 09:00pm
Rich's Avatar
Get away from me, Steve.
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 15,736
Quote:
Originally Posted by DG View Post
I completely miss a point to this post. Had someone spit on Hirshbeck at the same time as HOF induction I might see a point.
The only interesting part for me was the fact he's been hit in the nuts three times in 2 seasons. Makes me wonder if he's just unlucky or setting up in a way that makes him more vulnerable.

The Alomar/Hirschbeck story was over a LONG time ago. The two are close friends now. Everyone should move on.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jul 24, 2011, 09:23pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 685
I hope to find a way to doiwnload that for my umpiring classes next year. A lot of people take it for granted they can just stand behind the plate, and they need to see that even great meachaincs can't protect you from everything.

Last night in a D1 summer wood bat league my partner took a brutal shot under the throat protector. Foul ball went straight down and straight up. Pretty painful but he kept at it.

By now most of us are pretty brusied and beat up if we do a lot of games. A vid like this ought to make feel good about our situation, even if we are black and blue all over.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jul 25, 2011, 10:01am
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Toledo, Ohio, U.S.A.
Posts: 7,863
Quote:
Originally Posted by DG View Post
I completely miss a point to this post. Had someone spit on Hirshbeck at the same time as HOF induction I might see a point.

Because of the spitting incident, I find Alomar's HoF election and as insult to Hirschbeck. Alomar will always be a bum (and I am being generous here) because of the spitting incident.

MTD, Sr.
__________________
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials
International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials
Ohio High School Athletic Association
Toledo, Ohio
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jul 25, 2011, 10:20am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 248
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. View Post
Because of the spitting incident, I find Alomar's HoF election and as insult to Hirschbeck. Alomar will always be a bum (and I am being generous here) because of the spitting incident.

MTD, Sr.
I heard an interview on ESPN radio with Alomar over the weekend. He said Hirschbeck was one of the first people to call and congratulate him on his HOF election. From Alomar's comments, it was obvious the two had made amends and moved on from the incident. Why shouldn't we do the same?
__________________
"Golf is deceptively simple and endlessly complicated.
It satisfies the soul and frustrates the intellect.
It is at the same time rewarding and maddening-it is without
a doubt the greatest game mankind has ever invented."
Arnold Palmer
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jul 25, 2011, 10:32am
Rich's Avatar
Get away from me, Steve.
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 15,736
Quote:
Originally Posted by whistleone View Post
I heard an interview on ESPN radio with Alomar over the weekend. He said Hirschbeck was one of the first people to call and congratulate him on his HOF election. From Alomar's comments, it was obvious the two had made amends and moved on from the incident. Why shouldn't we do the same?
Because Mark's a curmudgeon.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jul 25, 2011, 11:16am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 323
Send a message via AIM to aceholleran
Let's not forget John's tough personal road. He is from my area (now in OH) and I know his brother Mark very well.

He has lost one son to ALD, and another has the disease. The odds against this are staggering. Yes, Almoar made a six-figure donation to ALD-related charity.
__________________
There is no such thing as idiot-proof, only idiot-resistant.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jul 25, 2011, 11:46am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 1,428
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. View Post
Because of the spitting incident, I find Alomar's HoF election and as insult to Hirschbeck. Alomar will always be a bum (and I am being generous here) because of the spitting incident.

MTD, Sr.
I imagine Hirschbeck would disagree with you. You can make up for being a temporary bum, and Alomar has done that. He's still a RAT though, albeit a RAT who hit 300+ lifetime and won 10 or more gold gloves. Only Mays and Clemente have done that. (Pudge would be there too had he retired after the 2008 season.)
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jul 25, 2011, 08:55pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 685
To bring up this incident is to act just like so many players and managers are acting today in MLB to umpires. Every time something they don't agree with happens it's a mini version of WW2 all over again, and then people on ESPN decry the 'attitude' umpires have and how it is bad for the game. And it is brought up all the time.

Once in a while people need to 'turn the page', and Hirshbeck did exactly that. And if you remember there were an awful lot of people at the time of the spitting incident who said very nasty things about John; Even going so far as to blame him and his attitude for him being spat on in the first place. John acted like the class individual he always is (at least form my experience when he was the classroom instructor at Harry's when I went there), and Alomar did too. In spite of his stupid mistake, he was a great player and great person by many accounts, and his speech showed it yesterday.

MLB is serious business, but if they could have a huge reunion of Confederate and Union soldiers who fought each other at Gettysburg 40 or 50 years later, maybe, just maybe two people can forgive and forget about an ugly incident almost 20 years ago on a dang baseball field. And maybe, just maybe other people could too.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jul 25, 2011, 09:45pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: The Old Dominion, Sic Semper Tyrannis
Posts: 10
whistleone and jkumpire, well said, both of you.

I've been one of those who held Alomar in contempt for that one incident, until I read what followed. I've certainly done some asinine and downright inexcusable things in my time; I'm glad that for the most part, folks can find it in their hearts to forgive.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jul 26, 2011, 09:39am
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Toledo, Ohio, U.S.A.
Posts: 7,863
John Hirschbeck was living in Poland, Ohio, a suburb of Youngstown, Ohio (my home town) when the spitting incident happened.

The fact that John came to terms with Alomar is fine with me. That said, I would not be able to come to terms with such a scum bag. I would just move on with my life and forget him. He would not be worth my time and effort. I guess it is the old Mafia Code of: "Don't get even, get revenge."

I have said all that I am going to say on this matter. I am glad that John was able to move on.

MTD, Sr.
__________________
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials
International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials
Ohio High School Athletic Association
Toledo, Ohio
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hirschbeck in the playoffs? karlk Baseball 13 Thu Oct 03, 2002 09:01am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:55am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1