LL All Stars & Travel Team Question

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

It's administrative. But it's also a question about the eligibility of the player to participate in a game.

Yes - a good LL umpire should know the all rules.

About whether a team can play travel ball and all stars? There's no way I'd possibly have to deal with this situation, so what's the point in an umpire knowing this?

After doing the coaches meetings for our district tournaments last night, I wish the coaches knew some basic playing rules. Doesn't a good coach know these?

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

About whether a team can play travel ball and all stars? There's no way I'd possibly have to deal with this situation, so what's the point in an umpire knowing this?

Really?

Manager comes to you with a sub. You announce it. Opposing manager comes to you and says "That sub can't play because he's on a travel team".

So you can either know the rule (actually the lack of one) and it's history and tell him OR you can just stand there with a blank look and then call the TD.

Either way, you're dealing with it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Really?

Manager comes to you with a sub. You announce it. Opposing manager comes to you and says "That sub can't play because he's on a travel team".

So you can either know the rule (actually the lack of one) and it's history and tell him OR you can just stand there with a blank look and then call the TD.

Either way, you're dealing with it.

Either way, he's not going to be happy with an umpire and will protest up the chain. Likely such a protest would end up with the region, regardless of my knowledge.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Really?

Manager comes to you with a sub. You announce it. Opposing manager comes to you and says "That sub can't play because he's on a travel team".

So you can either know the rule (actually the lack of one) and it's history and tell him OR you can just stand there with a blank look and then call the TD.

Either way, you're dealing with it.

I'm saying, "Not my position to rule on it" and I'm letting the kid play. I will note that he played, and if asked later will say that he played and some one in charge of administrative rules can determine the legality and penalty, if any.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm saying, "Not my position to rule on it" and I'm letting the kid play. I will note that he played, and if asked later will say that he played and some one in charge of administrative rules can determine the legality and penalty, if any.

In the LL tourneys, this would be a show stopper until ruled upon. But like I said to Rich, this isn't going to get ruled on to anyone's satisfaction by the game umpire, no matter who it is.

LL allows protests to go to (1) the umpire, (2) the TD/DA/person in charge, (3) the region, (4) Williamsport. If the loser of the protest isn't happy, they can continue to appeal all the way to the janitor answering the phones at Williamsport. We've never had one go past the region, but I think that's because few know they can appeal the region's ruling.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm saying, "Not my position to rule on it" and I'm letting the kid play. I will note that he played, and if asked later will say that he played and some one in charge of administrative rules can determine the legality and penalty, if any.

Nope.

The protest when discovered during the game has to be resolved before the next pitch.

You need to know that too.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Nope.

The protest when discovered during the game has to be resolved before the next pitch.

You need to know that too.

Surprisingly, perhaps, I did know that. As soon as either coach says the P word, then I would get the TD involved and wash my hands of it. I have no knowledge of whether the kid is on a Travel team or not (or evenhow that term might be defined). And, I can't see caring, even if I did LL (if I was only an "ump" and not also in some admin role)

[Tim C]

Rich you're so full of crap it is hard to give you any credit about anything other than Ratdom.

NFHS does not set pitch limits or even innings pitched.

You example of keeping "tabs on subs" is just another patehic attempt at proving your point.

There is no chance that any umpire needs to know this crap.