Appeal/Missed call

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

You, too, could have made life easier by coming in hard with a foul call.

No. He should have come in hard with a "TIME!" call. Let the PU decide if the runner was out of the box or not.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by yawetag

No. He should have come in hard with a "TIME!" call. Let the PU decide if the runner was out of the box or not.

We used to do that, but recently the conference has suggested that if the PU knew if he was hit in fair of foul, he would have known to make the call. We call what we see, foul, if foul, time, if fair.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

We used to do that, but recently the conference has suggested that if the PU knew if he was hit in fair of foul, he would have known to make the call. We call what we see, foul, if foul, time, if fair.

That's not 100% the case. If the batter hits the ball, then comes out of the box, where he's hit by the batted ball, the PU may be screened from seeing him getting hit. If BU calls time, the PU can determine the batter's position at that time (or determine where he was when initially hit by the ball).

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by yawetag

That's not 100% the case. If the batter hits the ball, then comes out of the box, where he's hit by the batted ball, the PU may be screened from seeing him getting hit. If BU calls time, the PU can determine the batter's position at that time (or determine where he was when initially hit by the ball).

Doubtful, in our experience, with accuracy. If he didn't see it, he didn't see it and reconstructing it less accurate that going with what the BU has.

[DG]

Pregame: "if you see a batted ball off a player and I don't call it, you call it if you see it". If a coach asks for help I always discuss with partner because I expect that if he had seen it we would not be having this discussion. If he says he saw it but did not call it then we make it right and postgame discuss on this, and hopefully this don't happen again.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Doubtful, in our experience, with accuracy. If he didn't see it, he didn't see it and reconstructing it less accurate that going with what the BU has.

So as the BU, you would be comfortable calling a BR out for making contact with a batted ball near the plate?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by yawetag

So as the BU, you would be comfortable calling a BR out for making contact with a batted ball near the plate?

In some cases, yes.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by yawetag

So as the BU, you would be comfortable calling a BR out for making contact with a batted ball near the plate?

If I were 100% on it, sure. If I weren't 100%, it was foul.

I'd feel more comfortable calling it seeing it as BU than calling it and not seeing it as PU.

[Bob James]

Pregame: "if you see a batted ball off a player and I don't call it, you call it if you see it".

This. We cover this in every pre-game. My partner and I last night came up twice with "FOUL" calls, simply because I'm deliberately deliberate in my calls. I had both, but he was on the job. I certainly appreciated it. As for calling a batter out as a base umpire, it would have to be pretty darned obvious.

Cheers.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by yawetag

No. He should have come in hard with a "TIME!" call. Let the PU decide if the runner was out of the box or not.

I'vr never bought that canard. I can see the ball hit the batter, I know where the batter is. I'll call it foul, too.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I'vr never bought that canard. I can see the ball hit the batter, I know where the batter is. I'll call it foul, too.

+1

After all, it was sharp and direct off his foot in the OP, and it is the correct mechanic to call "Foul" if you know your partner didn't see it. The "Time" mechanic is used when the ball bounces up and the batter is moving out of the box when he's hit. That's a different case altogether, and should not be confused with a simple ball off the foot.