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[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by DG

First I heard of meet of meet to compare scores. I generally don't know exactly unless we have excellent scorboard operator (about 95% of the time for score, about 70% for count and/or outs). If close game I generally ask after 6th if board is accurate.

What's a scoreboard?

[DG]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

What's a scoreboard?

It's the thing that tells you when the game is over, or more importantly, in a runaway or yawner, when it is about to be over.

[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

What's a scoreboard?

It is the official game scorekeeper who you should check in with frequently to make certain that there are no late inning arguments about score, IP and dozens of other highly important issues.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Simply The Best

It is the official game scorekeeper who you should check in with frequently to make certain that there are no late inning arguments about score, IP and dozens of other highly important issues.

Yes, depending on the level of baseball, it is important to visit the official book whenever necessary, and in some cases both dugouts' books as well.

I believe Mike is sayng that he doesn't often get to work on field's in which there are such luxury items such as scoreboards. I also understand the "compare scores" angle of which he spoke, as the umpires in some leagues (such as mine) are required to keep track of and report the scores to the league after the game.

[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Yes, depending on the level of baseball, it is important to visit the official book whenever necessary, and in some cases both dugouts' books as well.

I teach before the last inning is played (time based games or the last regular inning) that PU is to get the two books together and be certain they agree on score or any other important issues. This should be done as the offensive team is taking the field and preparing for play.

Often the BU is a better choice to oversee this meeting since many of them are taught to wander out toward right field and "disappear", An inbetween inning mechanic that I teach is a poor use of time.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Simply The Best

This should be done as the offensive team is taking the field and preparing for play.

Here, it's the defensive team that takes the field. (insert your choice of joke smiley here)

And, at any level above, oh, say 14U, the mechanic you espouse would be met with a "GTF out of my dugout" look (and maybe actual words, depending on the level).

If that's what's expected in any given area, then the umpire should do it. If it's not, then he shouldn't.

[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Here, it's the defensive team that takes the field. (insert your choice of joke smiley here)

And, at any level above, oh, say 14U, the mechanic you espouse would be met with a "GTF out of my dugout" look (and maybe actual words, depending on the level).

If that's what's expected in any given area, then the umpire should do it. If it's not, then he shouldn't.

If the response is GTF out of my dugout, my response is to GTFing scorekeeper out of the dugout and let's compare books. The game will sit until this happens.

This book to book comparison is something I have never once had an issue about. Not once. Scorekeepers usually like to do this for their arses are on the line if they have cooked the books, so to speak.

As the PU, I can demand the scorebook from the official scorekeeper anytime I want and if the coach or scorekeeper refuses to do as I say, then it is either the book in my hand now or the game is over. Never once in thousands of games have I ever had to or seen or heard of this refusal. YMMV.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Simply The Best

As the PU, I can demand the scorebook from the official scorekeeper anytime I want and if the coach or scorekeeper refuses to do as I say, then it is either the book in my hand now or the game is over.

Reference please.

Again, it may be the custom where you officiate. To suggest that it should be used in other areas (where it's not the custom) is wrong.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Simply The Best

I teach

God help us all.

[celebur]

Originally Posted by Simply The Best

I teach before the last inning is played (time based games or the last regular inning) that PU is to get the two books together and be certain they agree on score or any other important issues. This should be done as the offensive team is taking the field and preparing for play.

Often the BU is a better choice to oversee this meeting since many of them are taught to wander out toward right field and "disappear", An inbetween inning mechanic that I teach is a poor use of time.

That is neither interesting nor relevant to this thread.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by celebur

That is neither interesting nor relevant to this thread.

It has been discussed in the latter parts of the thread. Threads often mutate.

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by Simply The Best

I teach before the last inning is played (time based games or the last regular inning) that PU is to get the two books together and be certain they agree on score or any other important issues. This should be done as the offensive team is taking the field and preparing for play.

Often the BU is a better choice to oversee this meeting since many of them are taught to wander out toward right field and "disappear", An in between inning mechanic that I teach is a poor use of time.

I actually got in trouble for not getting the score straight in the 7th. I had the score right, visiting book had it right, home book was short 1. It was a 9 run game at the time. Home team comes back to lose by 1 (they think tie) and now we got a s###show. The discrepancy was in the top of the 7th, so it would not have mattered had I compared books to start the inning.

I found exactly where the mistake was in the home book. They insisted that even though it was wrong (I practically got them to admit it was wrong), it was official since it was the home book. I told them to take out their purple crayon and start coloring, they would never lose a game.

Tournament director agreed with the "home team is official" nonsense on the phone, despite me telling him that I was 100% the game was over. He insisted to play extras.

Thank god the visitors refused to play because I would have had a hard time walking back onto that field.

It was the last game I did for that league after I got my *** chewed for not verifying the score. What a bunch of nonsense.

[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

I actually got in trouble for not getting the score straight in the 7th. I had the score right, visiting book had it right, home book was short 1. It was a 9 run game at the time. Home team comes back to lose by 1 (they think tie) and now we got a s###show. The discrepancy was in the top of the 7th, so it would not have mattered had I compared books to start the inning.

Which is why I teach the top of the last possible inning or last playable inning before time would expire.

I found exactly where the mistake was in the home book. They insisted that even though it was wrong (I practically got them to admit it was wrong), it was official since it was the home book. I told them to take out their purple crayon and start coloring, they would never lose a game.Tournament director agreed with the "home team is official" nonsense on the phone, despite me telling him that I was 100% the game was over. He insisted to play extras.

Well, you were screwed to begin with. Doing a proper accounting on the scorebook guarantees it accuracy. If the TD wants to be Arthur Anderson of Accounting Ethics, all you are ever going to have is a fiasco you can do nothing about.

Thank god the visitors refused to play because I would have had a hard time walking back onto that field.

Good for them. I would have refused to officiate.

It was the last game I did for that league after I got my *** chewed for not verifying the score. What a bunch of nonsense.

The number of umpires that can lock or proof a scorebook is infintessimally small to the number of umpires overall. It is rarely taught. Kudos to you.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Simply The Best

It is the official game scorekeeper who you should check in with frequently to make certain that there are no late inning arguments about score, IP and dozens of other highly important issues.

Mmmm. my point, sirs, is not what the umpires are conferring about, if anything. Heck - talk about what you're going to get for Milly's wedding for all I care. The point is that if you meet briefly with your partner, ON the field, after the game appears to be over, you will never have the problem mentioned in the OP, and you will never look "different" if you linger when you know there's a possible appeal in play.