4 man and Obs at 2nd

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by gotblue?

A little depressing to see that, where the link takes us to, both the written account and the announcers' descripton refer to this as interference.

It doesn't surprise me anymore.

[TussAgee11]

Not going to say its impossible for BU2 to see that INT, but it certainly would be alot easier from the outside as was the positioning many years ago. Ball is primary responsibility of course, and with the INT happening on the backside of BU2, its going to be tough to really see. In fact, if he did see the whole thing, I'd wonder why he abandoned watching the ball.

Good job by U3 to realize U2 wasn't in a good spot to see it and jump on it. And correct mechanic as this is type B, do not kill until play is made on that runner. Nice to see the MLB guys get this right since they see it far less frequently than we all do...

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Not going to say its impossible for BU2 to see that INT, but it certainly would be alot easier from the outside as was the positioning many years ago. Ball is primary responsibility of course, and with the INT happening on the backside of BU2, its going to be tough to really see. In fact, if he did see the whole thing, I'd wonder why he abandoned watching the ball.

Good job by U3 to realize U2 wasn't in a good spot to see it and jump on it. And correct mechanic as this is type B, do not kill until play is made on that runner. Nice to see the MLB guys get this right since they see it far less frequently than we all do...

First off, it's OBS, not INT.

Secondly, I've never known U2 to set up outside with R1. Granted, I haven't studied video of baseball of previous eras, but this video (click on the Video Clip, located on the right side, near the bottom) of Lou Brock shows U2 inside the diamond.

Thirdly, even if U2 was outside, he's still probably going to miss the OBS. His eyes, as you mentioned, are on the ball AND the play occurs after 2B. U3 has the best view, as he's at 3B watching the ball being fielded, which puts OBS in direct line of his watching the play.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by yawetag

First off, it's OBS, not INT.

Secondly, I've never known U2 to set up outside with R1. Granted, I haven't studied video of baseball of previous eras, but this video (click on the Video Clip, located on the right side, near the bottom) of Lou Brock shows U2 inside the diamond.

Thirdly, even if U2 was outside, he's still probably going to miss the OBS. His eyes, as you mentioned, are on the ball AND the play occurs after 2B. U3 has the best view, as he's at 3B watching the ball being fielded, which puts OBS in direct line of his watching the play.

About 25 seconds into this video:

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | MLB Network Remembers: Maury Wills - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

In the same video you see an umpire taking this play from behind, from deep C, and standing right in the cutout.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

About 25 seconds into this video:

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | MLB Network Remembers: Maury Wills - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

In the same video you see an umpire taking this play from behind, from deep C, and standing right in the cutout.

Later in the video, another umpire is inside. Was it a preference thing?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by yawetag

Secondly, I've never known U2 to set up outside with R1.

AL was one way; NL was the other.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

AL was one way; NL was the other.

I thought the same, but in the video I saw an NL umpire inside and a different NL umpire outside. Maybe it was personal preference at one point.

[TussAgee11]

Rather than correct it in my post, I'll eat my crow. Obviously the play in question was OBS and not INT as I misstated.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Rather than correct it in my post, I'll eat my crow. Obviously the play in question was OBS and not INT as I misstated.

You are slipping up!