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[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

Bob, I truly hate this rule. In the video, the plate umpire waits for the runner to touch the plate and then points to it. Most of us would agree that he is indicating that the score counts, right?

Most of us? Dunno? Me? Dunno since I see PUs point to show touch, to show safe, to show both.

(I preach this mechanic at my clinics - don't point for a touch, an observent coach will notice when you don't and tell his players to complete a tag.)

I teach no pointing.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by Simply The Best

Most of us? Dunno? Me? Dunno since I see PUs point to show touch, to show safe, to show both.

I asked a very specific question that didn't involve what you see away from the video. But I hope you correct partners who point to indicate legally obtained bases. It will prevent more trouble for them in the future.

The runner in this video play is a catcher named Mitch Canham. He knew what he was doing when he lowered his shoulder and aimed for the other catcher's head. You can see how the umpire pointed the touch as a score. He points as soon as Canham touches the plate after the collision and run by. This is Minor League baseball so the contact is not illegal. Had this happened the year before when he was at Oregon State he would have likely been dumped.

Have a good season.

[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

I asked a very specific question that didn't involve what you see away from the video. But I hope you correct partners who point to indicate legally obtained bases. It will prevent more trouble for them in the future.

Don't correct them, I dump them. It's not allowed.

[Forest Ump]

Mike....Rule 1. Don't feed the trolls.

[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by Forest Ump

Rule 1. Don't feed the trolls.

I wasn't aware that you are the King of The Forum, announcing who is evil and who is not. Very Christlike.

Grow up. It's an officiating forum, got something to post outside of your pants problem, post it. Otherwise keep your opinions to your self-ordained wonderfulness.

[DG]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

This is Minor League baseball so the contact is not illegal. Had this happened the year before when he was at Oregon State he would have likely been dumped.

I don't think so, from what I saw.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by DG

I don't think so, from what I saw.

DG,
I may be wrong, if so my apologies, but didn't the NCAA change the contact rule this year? The one prior resulted in so many ejections that the NCAA made a point of emphasis that we need to scrutinize contact above the waist more carefully. A couple years ago, when Canham would have been at OSU, this type of collision would have resulted in him being ejected, right? In NCAA ball malicious contact is stressed. Lowering your shoulder into another catcher's head and extending your arm in that effort is a decent attempt to injure. It was hardnosed, but the gloves come off in pro ball. Pete Rose would have loved this play.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

DG,
I may be wrong, if so my apologies, but didn't the NCAA change the contact rule this year? The one prior resulted in so many ejections that the NCAA made a point of emphasis that we need to scrutinize contact above the waist more carefully. A couple years ago, when Canham would have been at OSU, this type of collision would have resulted in him being ejected, right? In NCAA ball malicious contact is stressed. Lowering your shoulder into another catcher's head and extending your arm in that effort is a decent attempt to injure. It was hardnosed, but the gloves come off in pro ball. Pete Rose would have loved this play.

This year, the NCAA clarified its collision rule but not with respect to MC. It defined an unavoidable (i.e., legal) collision as one which occurred when the runner: a) was making legitimate effort to reach the plate, b) was not attempting to dislodge the ball, and c) attempted to avoid the collision if he could reach the base without colliding. Contact above the waist initiated by the runner was deemed to be an attempt to dislodge the ball (but not necessarily MC). MC is left up to the umpire to determine.