Scoring Dispute

[JJ]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Verify it with whom? Do what with his score if it differs from someone else (like the home book)? If BU is keeping score, that's the score. I can see ANNOUNCING the score to the bookkeepers on both sides... but not verifying anything.

Sorry, I guess "verify" is too technical/legal/picky for you. For me, "verify" means, "Hey, Team A, what have YOU got? And Team B, what have YOU got?" If they have differences, we sort them out before we start the next half inning. If THEY can't agree, they're idiots, and I "agree" for them.

JJ
PS I would "verify" every half inning that someone scored. I think I can remember that as the game goes along.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JJ

Sorry, I guess "verify" is too technical/legal/picky for you. For me, "verify" means, "Hey, Team A, what have YOU got? And Team B, what have YOU got?" If they have differences, we sort them out before we start the next half inning. If THEY can't agree, they're idiots, and I "agree" for them.

JJ
PS I would "verify" every half inning that someone scored. I think I can remember that as the game goes along.

Ah. Thanks for the clarification - I get what you're saying now.

[silverpie]

Over 'cross the pond, their version of bats and balls actually puts it in the rules:

"The scorers shall frequently check to ensure that their records agree. They shall agree with the umpires, at least at every interval, other than a drinks interval, and at the conclusion of the match, the runs scored, the wickets that have fallen and, where appropriate, the number of overs bowled."

[ozzy6900]

If you handle it like a HS game (here in CT), you would be at the dugout at the end of each half inning, "Do you show 2 runs scoring on that inning, coach?" and you make sure that you and the coach agree on the number of runs. Heck, in a half inning where I have 3 up & 3 down, I go to the dugout and say, "Do you have no runs on this inning, coach?". At first, newer coaches think I am breaking their balls (in fact... I am) but when they see that I am delaying writing on my lineup until I verify with them, they sometimes meet me at the gate with the information before I even ask.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

If you handle it like a HS game (here in CT), you would be at the dugout at the end of each half inning, "Do you show 2 runs scoring on that inning, coach?" and you make sure that you and the coach agree on the number of runs. Heck, in a half inning where I have 3 up & 3 down, I go to the dugout and say, "Do you have no runs on this inning, coach?". At first, newer coaches think I am breaking their balls (in fact... I am) but when they see that I am delaying writing on my lineup until I verify with them, they sometimes meet me at the gate with the information before I even ask.

Really? I couldn't even tell you the score 90% of the time. I have worked games where we had a 10-run rule and the only hint I had was the teams lining up.

[tballump]

Work football or volleyball during the fall and basketball during the winter and get ready for High School or whatever hard ball in the Spring again. Don't get injured in the off-season fall ball especially with catcher's that cannot catch.

[ODJ]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Really? I couldn't even tell you the score 90% of the time. I have worked games where we had a 10-run rule and the only hint I had was the teams lining up.

When it's close and when it's nearing ten, I'll check with the books. If they're different I tell 'em to get together just to avoid this hassle.

[cookie]

I worked 2 consecutive 16U games in a Triple Crown Tournament this past Sunday.

Normally in travel ball, we umpires have nothing to do with keeping the score or the innings pitched by the F1's. But in Triple Crown Tournaments in our area, we umpires are given a lineup card and directed to note the score each half inning and announce it (To me, that means verify it with the VT/HT scorekeepers each 1/2 inning). Also, on the card, we must note the number of innings each F1 pitched whenever there is a pitching change; we must also note the beginning time of the game. At the completion of the game, each coach has to sign the card. From there, it's turned in to the TD. Usually, this bookkeeping job is done by the base umpire.

Sometimes, I'm a little lax on the 1/2 inning routine (usually because there's been no runs scored), but if runs cross the plate during a 1/2 inning, I'll make an effort to verify the number with the scorekeepers to see if they jive.

Now, from what I've read here in TussAgee's post, I'll be especially keen on getting the score agreed upon, particularly if the game is close...

[HokieUmp]

Originally Posted by silverpie

Over 'cross the pond, their version of bats and balls actually puts it in the rules:

"The scorers shall frequently check to ensure that their records agree. They shall agree with the umpires, at least at every interval, other than a drinks interval, and at the conclusion of the match, the runs scored, the wickets that have fallen and, where appropriate, the number of overs bowled."

Being a cricket follower since living overseas, I think I'd take that trade-off. Because those same laws of cricket also allow for very little dissent against an umpire's ruling. Even better than THAT - they actually enforce those laws (as opposed to our rulebook, which says players and coaches can't - and I'm paraphrasing slightly - act like jackoffs, and how does THAT work out?).

There are plenty of times where players lose their some or all of their match fees for "dissent," and sometimes that just means bad body language.

Between that, and the drinks and tea breaks, sounds pretty freaking awesome.

[Tim C]

If I showed up to work a game and the game management informed me that I was also to keep score for the game I would hand the assignment back and go have a cold adult beverage.

It is the JOB of tournament organizers to but on a well thoughtout and covered tourney. They charge the teams to play.

Pretty soon ya'll will be working for free (like Copperstown Park) while the organizer makes the money.

Sad state of affairs.

T

[GoodwillRef]

I would make plans with my wife for this exact weekend next year...not working for a yahoo like this.