A LLWS Observation

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Personally, that's enough to make me puke!

Ozzy:

You have to stop holding your feeling in. Please let us know how you really feel. Don't hold back.

MTD, Sr.


P.S. I agree with you.

[jicecone]

When I first started doing LL, it was always the same ole crap, coach comes out and ask my partner what his call was because he didn't like mine. Now we automated that process and given the coaches a machine to ask. Next we will be having audience participation Gallup Polls. We will also have a bunch of drone umpires, whose only words besides out, safe, ball and strike will be "yes boss", "anything you says boss".

Any wonder why America is becoming such a lazy as$ whinning complaining do nothing society?

[LMan]

I watched that play that was overruled, and U1 kicked it big time. So, is replay sort of a bassackwards QC check on the fact LL cant/wont ensure competent umpires at their tournament?

Im still waiting for a reversal on a really complicated play.


On a positive note, the plate umpire on last nights game (dont recall the teams) was pretty good. He ralphed a foul ball/HBP incident but his zone was good. Some of these guys are calling strikes the kids couldn't hit with a 8' bat.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by LMan

I watched that play that was overruled, and U1 kicked it big time. So, is replay sort of a bassackwards QC check on the fact LL cant/wont ensure competent umpires at their tournament?

Like Denkinger or Joyce?

[Mrumpiresir]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Like Denkinger or Joyce?

That's a cheap shot.

Both these were good umpires and will be remembered for one blown call in an important situation.

On the other hand, while the LLWS has been well officiated, you cannot say the same for the Regional Tournament play. Those guys were generally terrible.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Mrumpiresir

That's a cheap shot.

Both these were good umpires and will be remembered for one blown call in an important situation.

On the other hand, while the LLWS has been well officiated, you cannot say the same for the Regional Tournament play. Those guys were generally terrible.

And LLMan took a cheap shot ot the LL umps - implying that they blew it because they were incompetent. I was merely pointing out that anyone can blow one.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

And LLMan took a cheap shot ot the LL umps - implying that they blew it because they were incompetent. I was merely pointing out that anyone can blow one.

If you merely want to point out that anyone can blow one, you should compare the LL umpires to someone at their level, you for example.

To compare them to trained professionals with years of major league experience is laughable.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by Mrumpiresir

That's a cheap shot.

Both these were good umpires and will be remembered for one blown call in an important situation.

On the other hand, while the LLWS has been well officiated, you cannot say the same for the Regional Tournament play. Those guys were generally terrible.

And this is opinion is based on what(?), the evaluations you did on the umpires for all eight US regionals? I'm sure you had a real good look at all aspects of their work from the comfort of your couch as you watched the games on TV.

Give these guys a break, they're umpires, just like the rest of us. Treat them with some respect. These guys get slammed on their work because they're "volunteers" who ump LL, and as such, aren't as highly trained or have as much "big game experience" as us non LL guys and we would do a much better job. Yet, none of us would take an assignment to a LL Regional because we wouldn't get paid.

[Mrumpiresir]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

And this is opinion is based on what(?), the evaluations you did on the umpires for all eight US regionals? I'm sure you had a real good look at all aspects of their work from the comfort of your couch as you watched the games on TV.

Give these guys a break, they're umpires, just like the rest of us. Treat them with some respect. These guys get slammed on their work because they're "volunteers" who ump LL, and as such, aren't as highly trained or have as much "big game experience" as us non LL guys and we would do a much better job. Yet, none of us would take an assignment to a LL Regional because we wouldn't get paid.

At this level you need to have the best umpires available. I saw enough in the five or six games I watched to say that these guys were nowhere near the quality that would be expected.

They are not umpires like the rest of us. And it's not about being paid. I have worked hard, have gone to clinics and strive to be better every time out. These guys exhibited a lack of training and a lack of rules knowledge. Did you watch those games? Incorrect base award, Base on balls on ball three, very poor strike zone, all in one game.

Give me a break. Read some other forums and other post. I am not alone in my opinion. These guys were not good.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Yet, none of us would take an assignment to a LL Regional because we wouldn't get paid.

If LL was true to the principles it claimed, I would have no problem doing an LL regional for free. It is not, so it does not deserve a free service.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

And this is opinion is based on what(?), the evaluations you did on the umpires for all eight US regionals? I'm sure you had a real good look at all aspects of their work from the comfort of your couch as you watched the games on TV.

Give these guys a break, they're umpires, just like the rest of us. Treat them with some respect. These guys get slammed on their work because they're "volunteers" who ump LL, and as such, aren't as highly trained or have as much "big game experience" as us non LL guys and we would do a much better job. Yet, none of us would take an assignment to a LL Regional because we wouldn't get paid.

Pfft. Did you watch? Holy cow. The opinion that these guys were awful is based on the fact that they were awful. The fact that they work for free seems to absolve them of the responsibility to not suck in your book. Not in mine. Bad calls happen. But consistent bad positioning, bad mechanics, unnecessary overhustle, lack of rules knowledge, etc. (One thing I will give them is that I haven't seen any laziness at all - but I guess that's a little easier working just one game with a 6 man crew).

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by LMan

He ralphed a foul ball/HBP incident

I've made that mistake before...was it a checked swing inside pitch where the catcher came up blocking him?

That's a tough call at any level...I wouldn't hammer a LL umpire to bad on this type of play...

That being said, I didn't see the play so maybe it was a bad miss.

Can you describe the play?