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Old Tue Jul 06, 2010, 10:53pm
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The pitcher is deceiving the runner when he jerks his glove around like that and sometimes pitches and sometimes makes a pickoff attempt.
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Old Tue Jul 06, 2010, 10:56pm
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The pitcher is deceiving the runner when he jerks his glove around like that and sometimes pitches and sometimes makes a pickoff attempt.
Deceiving the runner is perfrectly legal if you don't violate 8.05 while doing it.
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Old Tue Jul 06, 2010, 11:11pm
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Deceiving the runner is perfrectly legal if you don't violate 8.05 while doing it.
Right, of course. Like I said, his glove jerks deceive the runner...and his glove jerks are balks.
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Old Tue Jul 06, 2010, 11:16pm
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On another note...sorry to hijack...just a little bit.

Does anybody have a clip of the Braves/Phillies last night (Monday) Prado bobbled a ball that was thrown to him for a force out at 2B and the runner was correctly called safe by the 2BU...I wanted to send this to our umpires to show how good his timing was in order to get that call correct. Please PM me if you find it.
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Old Wed Jul 07, 2010, 03:15am
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I am a Phillies fan, so I see Romero pitch a lot.

He does the same thing before every pitch or pickoff. In MLB this is never going to be called a balk and to nobody involved is it a balk.
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Old Wed Jul 07, 2010, 06:23am
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In MLB this is never going to be called a balk and to nobody involved is it a balk.
Which is further supported by the fact nobody wearing a Dodger uniform said a word.
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Old Wed Jul 07, 2010, 06:56am
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On another note...sorry to hijack...just a little bit.

Does anybody have a clip of the Braves/Phillies last night (Monday) Prado bobbled a ball that was thrown to him for a force out at 2B and the runner was correctly called safe by the 2BU...I wanted to send this to our umpires to show how good his timing was in order to get that call correct. Please PM me if you find it.
This one: Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | ATL@PHI: Dobbs safe at second on Braves' error - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia
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Old Wed Jul 07, 2010, 06:46am
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Right, of course. Like I said, his glove jerks deceive the runner...and his glove jerks are balks.
Which provision of 8.05 prohibits "glove jerks"? As Rich correctly points out, deception as such is not illegal. Only certain deceptive acts are illegal, and then only because they are specifically prohibited by rule. So which rule prohibits "glove jerks"?

In the link you post, he comes set, and then his glove moves. Without pausing again he turns, steps, and throws to 2B. Perfectly legal at all levels.

Even the announcers knew this was not a balk.
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Old Wed Jul 07, 2010, 09:36pm
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There was a better balk call on the classic feint to 3B, then feint to 1B. Not sure now if it was on FOX or TBS or the teams.
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Even the announcers knew this was not a balk.
Case closed!
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Old Tue Jul 06, 2010, 10:57pm
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Color me confused; is that the best you can find? The first video doesn't even let you see if he did anything inappropriate. Probably because he didn't.
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Old Tue Jul 06, 2010, 11:09pm
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I know these are not the best clips...I am searching for others. I think the balk on the pickoff is pretty obvious, though.

If anyone watched the Phillies/Braves tonight, chime in...it was glaringly obvious.
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There is legal deception and illegal deception.
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