TB @ MIN - "Missed" Tag at 3B in the 10th :eek:

[SAump]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Wait an hour...they'll come to his rescue...

Timing was quick too.

[PeteBooth]

[QUOTE=Ump Rube;684272

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I absolutely do not understand how anyone can make this call. I am not saying it changes the game (go-ahead already scored), but it really took the life out of the crowd to have to sit for another batter. Here are my thoughts about making that call

I normally side with the men in blue as thay have been taking a "beating" lately but this call "takes the cake" If he does not get repremanded by MLB I do not know what will.

Let's put in this way.

If any of us made that kind of a call in HS varsity / Legion etc. it might be our last game at that level for a while. My assignor would get a call in a "heartbeat" over a call like that. The conversation would go something along the lines of "How can you send us this guy. He hasn't got a clue. He is not ready for this level etc. etc".

We ALL make mistakes but how can a professional umpire miss that one.

I bet there is some Minor league umpire chomping at the bit to get "their shot" when they see calls like this.

It's time for MLB to do "something" meaning take over umpire development. Improve the pay at the minor league level so that you get more of a draw AND hold umpires more accountable. If you make a call like that I am not saying that should be your last game BUT on the same token you shoud have to earn your way back.

Pete Booth

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

As for the call and Marquez's appearance and behavior during the argument: embarrassing, unprofessional, astounding, horrible ... anyone?

Par for the course in Marquez's game.

[Durham]

[QUOTE=PeteBooth;684361]

Originally Posted by Ump Rube;684272

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If any of us made that kind of a call in HS varsity / Legion etc. it might be our last game at that level for a while. My assignor would get a call in a "heartbeat" over a call like that. The conversation would go something along the lines of "How can you send us this guy. He hasn't got a clue. He is not ready for this level etc. etc".

Pete Booth

The call was missed, but one thing to remember is that anyone of us missed this call inone of our games there is very little that could be done to get us to agree that we missed it. No video proof. So our assignor might get a call, but without proof like this video most good assignors would protect the umpire.

Like I said, he missed it, but I don't think we can equate missing a call like this to our games because of the simple fact that in our games we do the best we can and some times miss them and miss them big, but no one can prove it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Durham

The call was missed, but one thing to remember is that anyone of us missed this call inone of our games there is very little that could be done to get us to agree that we missed it. No video proof. So our assignor might get a call, but without proof like this video most good assignors would protect the umpire.

Like I said, he missed it, but I don't think we can equate missing a call like this to our games because of the simple fact that in our games we do the best we can and some times miss them and miss them big, but no one can prove it.

I completely agree. If you listen to coaches on much closer plays in our games, you would think everything was so obvious and we are not in the position this umpire was. Just like you said there are no video evidence and even some high profile games I have worked I cannot think of many games with video to support or go against any call I have ever made. Even at my State Final they did not tape the games. I do not know how our career would be over on a call like this as it would be the usual "He said...He said" type of conversation.

Peace

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

The seeds thing is absolutely dumbfounding.

A partner to me last Sunday after putting a seed bag to his mouth in B or C position at least a dozen times: "What do you have for me?"

Me: "Ballplayers started out as boorish, undisciplined slobs. Umpires started out dressed in top hats and coats and ties. We haven't evolved far enough to allow for eating from a bag and spitting out the remains, while we're supposed to be working. And I'm not even talking about moving up, I'm talking about respecting the level of play you're working now."

Seeds being poured in the mouth on a field is unprofessional.

Wow, talk about kicking it "Old School".

I chew bubble gum (Dubble Bubble, not Super Bubble) and keep a couple of extra pieces in my pocket. Sometimes I blow a bubble. Is that acceptable?

[rookieblue]

1. If he did miss, and he didn't, how can you possibly make that call when the runner stops.

Boy, howdy. As my user name would suggest, I'm fairly new at this craft, but wouldn't most use every clue, such as the runner giving himself up, as a pretty good indication what the call should be? Plus, given his position, how could he not see it? Perhaps, sometimes, in a two man crew, one might be forgiven for being straight-lined on a play between bases, but what the heck?

And to return to the video, he's got seeds sticking out of his pocket? Seeing that garbage, I thought what the heck is that?? It was a bag of seeds? And he continued spitting husks out while Gardenhire was arguing the call?? That is simply execrable. Look, I'm new; I don't presume to pass judgement, but I don't even chew gum out there! He resembles some of the career burn-outs I've seen in my real workplace, sad to say.

Bob James

[jwwashburn]

Why in the world was my comment DELETED? The one about the third baseman tagging the guy that was already out??????????

[jwwashburn]

When a moderator acts that stupidly, he should explain himself.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Why in the world was my comment DELETED? The one about the third baseman tagging the guy that was already out??????????

Your post is still part of another thread about the IFR.

I suppose you misplaced it, so You don't have to get so touchy about someone
deleting one the next time.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Why in the world was my comment DELETED? The one about the third baseman tagging the guy that was already out??????????

You mean this one ???...........

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

I could not tell where the other runners were, but the idiot third baseman tagged a guy that had been forced instead of trying for the triple play.

How appropriate that your comment is in this thread. Guys are asking how could the call at 3B, that was so obvious, be missed........

Now they are asking the same about your comment....

[jwwashburn]

Oh well....I am just not very bright, am I?

[TwoBits]

[QUOTE=Dakota;684314] What has happened to MLB umpiring? This continuing sequence of inexplicably missed calls is disturbing. QUOTE]

Replay...replay...replay...

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Oh well....I am just not very bright, am I?

Seriously, that cat has been out of the bag for a long time....

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by Durham

No video proof.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Just like you said there are no video evidence and even some high profile games I have worked I cannot think of many games with video to support or go against any call I have ever made. Even at my State Final they did not tape the games.

Don't count on there being no tape of it. Just none you know about yet.

Now, if this is you, it is some of your best work.
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