TB @ MIN - "Missed" Tag at 3B in the 10th :eek:

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by TwoBits

Replay...replay...replay...

Great. More of that rubbish now.

[Ump Rube]

Here is something else that I noticed when thinking about it some more (after reading other comments). Where is the call? If you are going to make a no-tag call it had better be immediate and loud.

Looking at the "live" wide-angle, the call is not made until the runner reaches 3B, not when the tag is missed. This makes me think that he either blinked or wanted to screw it up.

Your thoughts?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Ump Rube

wanted to screw it up.

Unless you think he's related to Tim Donaghy, I'm pretty sure this isn't it.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Ump Rube

Here is something else that I noticed when thinking about it some more (after reading other comments). Where is the call? If you are going to make a no-tag call it had better be immediate and loud.

Looking at the "live" wide-angle, the call is not made until the runner reaches 3B, not when the tag is missed. This makes me think that he either blinked or wanted to screw it up.

Your thoughts?

Making an out call when the tag is applied takes care of this.

Not making an out call when the tag is missed (and the runner has not reached the base) also takes care of this.

[Ump Rube]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Unless you think he's related to Tim Donaghy, I'm pretty sure this isn't it.

I don't think he did, it was merely hyperbole.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Ump Rube

Here is something else that I noticed when thinking about it some more (after reading other comments). Where is the call? If you are going to make a no-tag call it had better be immediate and loud.

Looking at the "live" wide-angle, the call is not made until the runner reaches 3B, not when the tag is missed. This makes me think that he either blinked or wanted to screw it up.

Your thoughts?

I completely disagree with you. He should do nothing. Because I think you only need one signal. He is not safe until he gets back to the base, not in the middle of the running lane where a possible tag might be made. One signal and one call. Because is he going to give multiple tag signals on several tag attempts and then call him out when he is finally out?

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I completely disagree with you. He should do nothing. Because I think you only need one signal. He is not safe until he gets back to the base, not in the middle of the running lane where a possible tag might be made. One signal and one call. Because is he going to give multiple tag signals on several tag attempts and then call him out when he is finally out?

Peace

The tag was a "play" and deserves a call. If the tag had been missed, then both the runer and the fielder need to know it so they can then act appropriately.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

Wow, talk about kicking it "Old School".

I chew bubble gum (Dubble Bubble, not Super Bubble) and keep a couple of extra pieces in my pocket. Sometimes I blow a bubble. Is that acceptable?

It wouldn't matter what my stance is on anything, you would oppose it and have a typically smart-@ssed comment to accompany it.

You never disappoint, at least.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

It wouldn't matter what my stance is on anything, you would oppose it and have a typically smart-@ssed comment to accompany it.

You never disappoint, at least.

Okay. How about Chap Stick? I saw a MLB umpire (Tim Tschida) using Chap Stick during the delay in the game I went to tonight (some guy did a cartwheel as he fell out of the second deck trying to catch a foul ball). Luckily the fans down below him broke his fall.

Since Wednesday is Dollar Hot Dog night, I might try to run one down to Bob Davidson between innings....

[Rich]

I take my work seriously. No piece of gum or pocketful of seeds changes that. If it changes your opinion of me in your mind, I couldn't possibly care.

I eat seeds about once a year. I like seeds, but I hate what the salt does -- drying out my lips and mouth.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The tag was a "play" and deserves a call. If the tag had been missed, then both the runer and the fielder need to know it so they can then act appropriately.

I disagree. I think he is not safe until he gets the the bag. I am not going to give safe signals all the way up the line until there is a tag.

The runner in this play knew exactly what to do, he ran to the next base.

Peace

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think he is not safe until he gets the the bag.

No, he's safe until he's out.

Many umpires don't give the safe signal on a tag play away from the base. Most don't feel it's needed -- unless he's out.

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I disagree. I think he is not safe until he gets the the bag. I am not going to give safe signals all the way up the line until there is a tag.

The runner in this play knew exactly what to do, he ran to the next base.

Peace

You're gonna give a safe sign if he's tagged, Jeff?

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by yawetag

No, he's safe until he's out.

Many umpires don't give the safe signal on a tag play away from the base. Most don't feel it's needed -- unless he's out.

I agree with both sides. Giving the safe signal on a tag attempt between the bases let everybody know that you saw the attempt, including your partners.

Depending on who I'm working with...if I don't see a signal I may or may not trust my partner to have been watching...it also might save a trip out to the field from "Skip" if he sees the safe signal.

Not saying either opinion is right or wrong...but I do think there's a mechanic that asks the base umpire to signal safe if there's no tag on a tag attempt unless the ball comes out or something.

[TwoBits]

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

Great. More of that rubbish now.

It's either that, or go with Pete's suggestion about MLB taking over umpire development.