Hidden Ball Trick

[jicecone]

Bob, not that it matters for this thread, but isn't NCAA changing or proposing a change on this for 2010 Rulebook. Thought I read this somewhere.

[Forest Ump]

Just remember that it is impossible to have a hidden ball trick following a time out. It doesn't matter if the plate umpire says play. If the pitcher did not have the ball when the PU inadvertently said play then the ball was never legally put in play. No balk, no out, start over.

[johnnyg08]

How the hidden ball trick works many times is that the fielder never actually throws the ball back to F1. During a live ball pick off play or when getting the ball back from the outfield they will keep the ball live and not throw it back to F1...often times faking a throw. If F6 was going to have a conference w/ F1...likely, time would be called and I think Forest Ump is correct in reading post #5.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

If F6 was going to have a conference w/ F1...likely, time would be called .

Not in these parts. Your situation may differ.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

If F6 was going to have a conference w/ F1...likely, time would be called and I think Forest Ump is correct in reading post #5.

Just curious - not picking... wondering why time would "likely" be called. I can see it occasionally being called (by a fielder), but obviously never before an attempted hidden ball trick.

[johnnyg08]

don't see the hidden ball trick very often...in fact 1 time in probably 1,000 games.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

don't see the hidden ball trick very often...in fact 1 time in probably 1,000 games.

But the question was - why do you "likely" have time if F6 (or F3) visits F1?

[johnnyg08]

Well, if a player requests time to go talk to his pitcher, I will almost always grant time to allow him to talk with his pitcher.

If he doesn't request time, I will leave everything live. So if a play is "on" and he has been coached properly, he wouldn't request time, I would leave the ball live and see if they properly execute the play.

[DG]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Bob, not that it matters for this thread, but isn't NCAA changing or proposing a change on this for 2010 Rulebook. Thought I read this somewhere.

I think NCAA went to two years between rules changes, thus 2009 rules are 2010 rules. And, the normal college season is best 2 out of 3 from being over. Did you mean the 2011-2012 book?

[jicecone]

What I meant was, I believe NCAA was proposing a change to the rule from on the rise of the mound (dirt) to OBR's on or astride. In the next rulebook to be published.