BOOT Marlins/Rays 6/19

[umpjim]

Anybody seen an explanation of why the improper batter instead of the proper batter was reported as called called out in this game. Maybe ump called the right guy out but scorekeeper and press don't know sht?

[grunewar]

One Account of the situation:

In the eighth, Hanley Ramirez started a three-run rally with a two-run double, hurting his right hamstring on the play. He stayed to score the tying run when Ross' grounder was mishandled by the Rays' Evan Longoria .

Ramirez was taken out before the ninth, replaced by Brian Barden .

That's when trouble really started for the Marlins.

Florida Manager Fredi Gonzalez thought Barden was batting ninth. PU Lance Barksdale marked Barden batting third - so when Barden walked, he was called out for the lineup goof. After a long review by Barksdale, Gonzalez was ejected, then stayed on the field calmly for several more minutes as Barksdale kept checking the cards.

" Lance confirmed it with Fredi before he left to go back into the dugout,'' Hallion said. " And that's all we had to go by then."

Afterward, Gonzalez insisted he was in the right.

" He screwed it up,'' Gonzalez said, speaking of Barksdale. " I'll go anywhere you want me to go with it. I told him where the guys were hitting and he gave Joe the wrong places to hit.

" It's one of those things ... my word against him,'' Gonzalez added. " He's the official lineup card, so that's the one that counts."

Read more: Tampa Bay Rays vs. Florida Marlins - Recap - June 19, 2010

[MD Longhorn]

The Box Score:


AB R H RBI BB K LOB SEASON AVG.
Coghlan LF 5 2 2 3 0 1 0 .280
Sanchez 1B 6 1 3 1 0 0 0 .287
Ramirez SS 4 2 2 3 0 0 1 .286
Barden SS 2 0 0 0 0 1 2 .217
Cantu 3B 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 .268
Bonifacio PR 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Nunez P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -
Sanches P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -
Hayes PH 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .200
Sosa P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -
Strickland P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -
Sanchez PH 1 0 0 0 0 1 2 .238
Uggla 2B 4 0 0 0 2 3 4 .262
Ross CF 5 0 1 1 0 1 2 .283
Stanton RF 4 1 0 0 1 3 3 .231
Paulino C 3 1 1 0 2 0 2 .314
Volstad P 2 0 0 0 0 2 2 .143
Wood P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -
Lamb PH 1 0 0 0 0 1 2 .185
Buente P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -
Helms 3B 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 .268

[MD Longhorn]

The Play by Play for the 9th inning:

Top 9th0 run, 2 hits, 0 error
Tampa Bay 5, Florida 5
Barden in as shortstop. Nunez pitching. Helms in as third baseman. Crawford singled to right.
Crawford was caught stealing, catcher Paulino to second baseman Uggla, Crawford out.
Longoria walked on a full count.
Pena lined out to right fielder Stanton.
Zobrist singled to center, Longoria to third.
Upton grounded into fielder's choice, shortstop Barden to second baseman Uggla, Zobrist out.
Bot 9th0 run, 0 hit, 0 error
Tampa Bay 5, Florida 5
Helms batted out of order.
Coghlan struck out. G.Sanchez flied out to right fielder Zobrist.

Looks to me like they properly called Helms out for not batting when Barden came up and walked in the 9 hole (combining the PBP with the article).

[umpjim]

Looks like the press got it wrong then.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by umpjim

Looks like the press got it wrong then.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by umpjim

Looks like the press got it wrong then.

First time for everything, right?

[jwwashburn]

If you are a Manager of an underperforming MLB team, batting out of order probably will not help you keep your job.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

The Play by Play for the 9th inning:

Top 9th0 run, 2 hits, 0 error
Tampa Bay 5, Florida 5
Barden in as shortstop. Nunez pitching. Helms in as third baseman. Crawford singled to right.
Crawford was caught stealing, catcher Paulino to second baseman Uggla, Crawford out.
Longoria walked on a full count.
Pena lined out to right fielder Stanton.
Zobrist singled to center, Longoria to third.
Upton grounded into fielder's choice, shortstop Barden to second baseman Uggla, Zobrist out.
Bot 9th0 run, 0 hit, 0 error
Tampa Bay 5, Florida 5
Helms batted out of order.
Coghlan struck out. G.Sanchez flied out to right fielder Zobrist.

Looks to me like they properly called Helms out for not batting when Barden came up and walked in the 9 hole (combining the PBP with the article).

You highlighted stuff. What's the point?

Just because Barden went to short and Helms went to third does NOT mean they replaced that particular position's former player in the lineup. Barden could take the F5 slot and Helms the F6 slot.

[txump81]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

You highlighted stuff. What's the point?

Just because Barden went to short and Helms went to third does NOT mean they replaced that particular position's former player in the lineup. Barden could take the F5 slot and Helms the F6 slot.

Exactly, it could have been a double switch. The only way to know what really happened is to have the audio of the PU and manager's conversation.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

You highlighted stuff. What's the point?

Just because Barden went to short and Helms went to third does NOT mean they replaced that particular position's former player in the lineup. Barden could take the F5 slot and Helms the F6 slot.

Uh, yeah - I know that. I highlighted it to make it clear the moves were simultaneous. In fact, what you state was clearly the reason for the BOO... one party thought it was double-switch, the other didn't, and it wasn't cleared up before the wrong batter batted.