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Old Fri Jun 04, 2010, 08:48am
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And the smart guys are the ones who just defend the umpire's behavior, no matter how glaring?
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Old Fri Jun 04, 2010, 09:27am
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We don't know what Kendall said to trigger it. But, I don't think he could have said anything to warrant PU coming out. That looked bad. This truly deserves some kind of penalty. The PU was completely out of line.

If he felt the need to do that, then he should have just ejected F2. Doing that made him look like the aggressor and look like the bad one. Bad move.

Hopefully, he will learn not to do that if he gets a chance to fill in again. He obviously earned the spot to be a fill in and I hope it doesn't hurt his chances. But, I don't think that is acceptable at any level. Minors may accept it but it shouldn't be.
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Old Fri Jun 04, 2010, 10:16am
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Well it was obvious right from the beginning of this video that there were words between Estabrook & Kendall. That's fine. Kendall never turned around and held the mask so it was not obvious that he was raising his voice. The two should have settled up and let it be or Estabrook should have ejected Kendall.

But to walk around a catcher like this is as off-limits as a catcher turning around, facing the umpire - it just isn't done! I will carry on with a catcher as needed then either tell him to end it or I'll dump him. I would never, ever, walk around a catcher like that and continue a conversation.

Of course, I do not blame Yost for coming out - I'm surprised it took as long as it did! As far as Yost's ejection, well, it was inevitable under the circumstances.

So after the game, do you think Estabrook got an earful from the crew chief? He would have gotten an "up one side and down the other" from me, that's for sure! Very bad show, buckoo!
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Old Fri Jun 04, 2010, 12:23pm
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And the smart guys are the ones who just defend the umpire's behavior, no matter how glaring?
The problem is that if Estabrook had ejected Kendall, all the people who blast Estabrook now would say, "He didn't even turn around. How can that umpire eject a catcher who did *nothing* to show him up?"

Estabrook can't win, unless he's willing to take whatever pile of crap Kendall gives him without doing anything.
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Old Fri Jun 04, 2010, 01:03pm
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Estabrook can't win, unless he's willing to take whatever pile of crap Kendall gives him without doing anything.
Exactly, which is what Kendall was up to. Somebody had to go for what Kendall said, and Estabrook made sure it would be Yost.
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Exactly, which is what Kendall was up to. Somebody had to go for what Kendall said, and Estabrook made sure it would be Yost.
I've had it happen a few times and eventually you get your final words in and don't say anything after it and nothing came from it. I was working a summer league for college players and future draft picks and I had called a strike on a batter at the knees and he thought it was low and he told me about that strike and one at his prior at bat so I finally said something to the nature of needing to get the bat off your shoulders and do something with the pitch, batter kind of just smiled and hit the next pitch into right field and that was that. Next time up to bat he apologized for the exchange and we went on.

I know its the MLB and words are probably a bit different that what we are most ust to, but I'm sure they could of each had their last word in and not said another one. Kind of hard to talk back to someone who isn't saying anything back. I just looked really bad the way he called time and bent over right in front of him.
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Old Fri Jun 04, 2010, 03:22pm
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If the bobble heads knew how to shut up, we might have been able to hear part of the conversation between Yost and Estabrook and what Estabrook was saying to Kendall.
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Old Fri Jun 04, 2010, 03:19pm
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And the smart guys are the ones who just defend the umpire's behavior, no matter how glaring?
Reminds me of the behaviour of Kevin Causey who was on track to become a ML umpire and is no longer umpiring in OB.
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Reminds me of the behaviour of Kevin Causey who was on track to become a ML umpire and is no longer umpiring in OB.
What did he do? I dont remember that name.
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Old Fri Jun 04, 2010, 06:10pm
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Causey worked 52 games in the ML in 2008 well on his way to becoming one of the "regular" fill ins and then dropped to 24 last year and now has disappeared. He had several incidents in the minors of a confrontational variety and I am thinking this may have been the reason he was dropped as a prospect.
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Old Fri Jun 04, 2010, 06:50pm
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I guess he forgot his brush, so he just went for the lecture.

Don't know what was said but, it definitely did not look professional.
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History lesson

Catchers are starting to cross the line more and more at the top level. The MILB umpires learned that during the Caribbean World Series. Now it's going on at the Pro level, here for example. Perhaps catchers are beginning to feel like they also have grounds for showing their objections to particular calls. "I really needed a strike there blue!"
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Kendall knew he was dealing with a Minor League fill in. Yost did what he had to do. I never seen anything like it. I expect the fill-ins chances were reduced somewhat.
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Old Fri Jun 04, 2010, 10:13pm
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Kendall knew he was dealing with a Minor League fill in. Yost did what he had to do. I never seen anything like it. I expect the fill-ins chances were reduced somewhat.
Not only were his chances reduced, his equipment never made it to
New York and he had to wear Brian Runge's uniform tonight.
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Old Sat Jun 05, 2010, 04:02pm
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And the smart guys are the ones who just defend the umpire's behavior, no matter how glaring?
If anyone was baited here, then it appears the umpire took the bait, hook, line and sinker. We probably all agree that walking around the catcher didn't look very good. There is no need to mention it because it wasn't right. It wasn't even necessary.

I will praise the umpire for showing his professionalism in the heat of the moment. I am not going to list the number of things he did right during the manager's tirade. The catcher had more to say after the manager left too. I suppose he wasn't done until the umpire was in the boat.
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