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Old Tue May 18, 2010, 12:54pm
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Having plenty of access to the bag has no bearing whatsoever on whether you call obstruction or not.

Now i believe in FED, it does make a difference - dont know whether they have changed that or not.
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Old Tue May 18, 2010, 01:17pm
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Don't have my books here but I believe in OBR, if they play is imminent the fielder has the right to block any or all of the base.
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Old Tue May 18, 2010, 01:32pm
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Only if you judge that is where he had to be to field the throw.

Come on jicecone, if you only judged "play is imminent", why not cross check the runner as he's coming back to the base?
The pitcher is throwing over to the base and a play is imminent.
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Old Tue May 18, 2010, 02:02pm
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~Sigh~

Actually Big jicecone is correct.

Both NCAA and OBR have the umpire judge if a play is imminet.

Professional manuals even define the parameters around "imminet."

We know that NCAA redefined what a first baseman can do on a pick off but all else remains.

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Old Tue May 18, 2010, 02:06pm
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1st EJ: No brainer. Never take that kind of language from a kid.

2nd EJ: He got personal, but it would only depend on what context the words came from. And I would have likely not even talked to an assistant about the play. I would have stopped the conversation quickly and had the conversation with the HC.

3rd EJ: No problems from me. Get rid of him and if he did not want to be ejected, then say it where you cannot hear him.

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Old Tue May 18, 2010, 10:00pm
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If someone gets dumped for answering an umpire's question, then either a) the question should not have been asked, b) he was baited, or c) both.
And your problem with allowing a coach to come to his senses or get dumped is what?
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Old Tue May 18, 2010, 10:09pm
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And your problem with allowing a coach to come to his senses or get dumped is what?
I never said anything of the sort.
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Old Wed May 19, 2010, 07:49am
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Actually Big jicecone is correct.

Both NCAA and OBR have the umpire judge if a play is imminet.

Professional manuals even define the parameters around "imminet."

We know that NCAA redefined what a first baseman can do on a pick off but all else remains.

T
I would be interested in seeing these parameters.
Does this mean that 1B has free range to purposely obstruct the runner coming back, as long as a play is imminet?
And if so, why dont we see more of it at the MLB level?
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Old Wed May 19, 2010, 08:23am
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I would be interested in seeing these parameters.
Does this mean that 1B has free range to purposely obstruct the runner coming back, as long as a play is imminet?
And if so, why dont we see more of it at the MLB level?
Because the runner also has "free range" (sic) to go in spikes first or crash through the fielder to get to the base. And, the fielder will have to bat soon and just might get 5.25 oz @ 90 mph in the ear.
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Old Wed May 19, 2010, 11:02am
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Over the last ten or so years on this Board we have discussed this statement over-and-over.

As an experienced umpire (and instructor) I teach NOT to say this statement. It sounds like two 10 years old bickering on a play ground.

We find "Hey Skip, we're not going to go there!" a much better starting point.

YMMV

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It sounds much more like a teenager, which I guess is a starting point. But I like to use adult terms.
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Old Wed May 19, 2010, 11:17am
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Actually Big jicecone is correct.

Both NCAA and OBR have the umpire judge if a play is imminet.

T
T -

Are you sure about the with respect to NCAA? I agree that imminent is the standard with OBR - but I was under the impression that NCAA is essentially in line with FED (i.e. impedes progress of runner w/o ball).

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Old Wed May 19, 2010, 11:40am
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Hmm,

As I noted (poorly, I admit) a pick off at first base is DIFFERENT.

We know that there have been conflicting definitions of "imminet" betwix levels of baseball.

Some codes says, on a play at the plate as example, that the ball simply needs to be inside the infield grass.

Other codes have said "imminet" means that the ball must be approaching the catcher.

This is why some umpires scratch their heads when working multiple codes.

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Old Wed May 19, 2010, 01:37pm
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Had a game yesterday where I set a personal record, 3 ejections within 5-10 minutes.

At one point, the coach says something to the effect of "You're crazy", ejection #2.

The manager then turned to his bench and yelled, "Well boys, looks like we're going back real hard to first." Ejection #3. I'm not going to allow a coach/manager to instruct his players to attempt to injure the opposition.
The 1B Coach and now the manager are done.

Any more coaches left?

RE: Around "my neck of the woods" no ADULT coaches left = game over.

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Old Wed May 19, 2010, 02:40pm
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The 1B Coach and now the manager are done.

Any more coaches left?

RE: Around "my neck of the woods" no ADULT coaches left = game over.

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They did have another adult on the bench but the team was done on two counts:
1. They were about to be mercied (down 15 after 5 innings)
2. They didn't have another player on the roster to replace the one ejected, so they couldn't put 9 players on the field.
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Old Wed May 19, 2010, 03:04pm
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1. They were about to be mercied (down 15 after 5 innings)
The coaches were most likely happy to get dumped.

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