Trapped 3rd Strike...

[UmpJM]

boss21,

Nothing, yet.

What happens next?

JM

[TussAgee11]

Does it meet the criteria under 2.00 CATCH? There is your answer.

[tjones1]

I'm going to guess what's next...

2 strikes on the batter, swings and misses the next pitch, catcher traps the ball on his shin guard, ump calls foul ball.. What is the correct call, batter never touched the pitch

Not a foul ball - batter swung and missed. The catcher must catch the ball in flight.

[JJ]

As long as the ball did not hit the ground before it got to the catcher, and as long as the catcher does not let the ball hit the ground after HE touches it, it's a strikeout (not a foul ball). Unfortunately for the plate umpire, since he called foul ball, he may have to eat the call and ultimately eject a disgruntled coach. Hopefully in the future he'll learn to let his brain process all the info of what happened and will get it right next time. Tough situation.

JJ

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JJ

As long as the ball did not hit the ground before it got to the catcher, and as long as the catcher does not let the ball hit the ground after HE touches it, it's a strikeout (not a foul ball). Unfortunately for the plate umpire, since he called foul ball, he may have to eat the call and ultimately eject a disgruntled coach. Hopefully in the future he'll learn to let his brain process all the info of what happened and will get it right next time. Tough situation.

JJ

Hmmm...

In FED at least, a ball "in flight" that's mistakenly declared foul is still live (if it's caught). Is a foul tip a batted ball in flight?

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Hmmm...

Is a foul tip a batted ball in flight?

I think you just found another "mistake" in the rules Bob. By definition, a foul tip is a batted ball that is legally caught, and a batted ball is in flight until it has touched the ground or some object other than a fielder (including his equipment). Why then, are runners not required to tag up on a foul tip?

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Hmmm...

Is a foul tip a batted ball in flight?

No. A foul tip is a strike.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

No. A foul tip is a strike.

Well, once it's caught, yes.

But before that, under FED rules at least, it's a batted ball. And a ball that is declared "foul" (incorrectly by the umpire) must then hit the ground to become foul. If it doesn't hit the ground, then the play stands.

So, I think, "ball is tipped by the batter, caught by the catcher, declared foul by the umpire" is still a foul tip -- that is, it's a strike and in play.

This would be consistent with "ball hit in the air by the batter, declared foul by the umpire and caught by F3" -- the out stands and the ball is in play.

[jkumpire]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Well, once it's caught, yes.

But before that, under FED rules at least, it's a batted ball. And a ball that is declared "foul" (incorrectly by the umpire) must then hit the ground to become foul. If it doesn't hit the ground, then the play stands.

So, I think, "ball is tipped by the batter, caught by the catcher, declared foul by the umpire" is still a foul tip -- that is, it's a strike and in play.

This would be consistent with "ball hit in the air by the batter, declared foul by the umpire and caught by F3" -- the out stands and the ball is in play.

Gentlemen,

Please remember that once a ball is declared foul by an umpire, correctly or incorrectly, the ball is dead. By calling the ball foul, which we are assuming, the PU killed the play.

The original post was "strike 3 held against the shin guard," It never said what happened after that. We really need more information to tell our poster what happens. A lot of the posting here I agree with, but once we have a PU calling the ball foul, the ball is dead. It does not matter if F2 pins it across his gear or not, or the Batter tipped the pitch of not. the PU calls the ball foul, it's foul.

The play that is the closest analogy to the first post would be a bunt by the BR that is foul then goes fair. But if the PU sees the ball go foul and calls it foul before it is touched in foul ground, what do you have? You have a dead ball, the bunt is foul, even if the PU blew the call. You can't reburn the firewood.

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

... Is a foul tip a batted ball in flight?

Well, not any more. But it had to have been to properly be declared a foul tip.

I concur with bob.

JM