OBR / NCAA catch and carry

[bossman72]

Just need a few clarifications on catch and carry per OBR:

1) Fielder makes catch in LBT, then momentum takes him into dead ball territory where he goes down to one knee and one hand, stands up, and then throws back to the field.

Would you consider this a "fall" in OBR or "lost body control" in NCAA and award one base? What about 2 knees? Basically what I'm asking is (OBR) when is a fall considered a fall for the purposes of this rule?

2) Fielder makes catch while sitting/balancing on the top of the fence. His feet then flop over to the other side of the fence and lands easily on both feet and makes a throw back to the field.

Would you kill the ball when he lands on the other side of the fence and award one base? Does it matter if it's the outfield fence or a fence in foul territory?

Thanks guys!

[DG]

Originally Posted by bossman72

Just need a few clarifications on catch and carry per OBR:

1) Fielder makes catch in LBT, then momentum takes him into dead ball territory where he goes down to one knee and one hand, stands up, and then throws back to the field.

Would you consider this a "fall" in OBR or "lost body control" in NCAA and award one base? What about 2 knees? Basically what I'm asking is (OBR) when is a fall considered a fall for the purposes of this rule?

2) Fielder makes catch while sitting/balancing on the top of the fence. His feet then flop over to the other side of the fence and lands easily on both feet and makes a throw back to the field.

Would you kill the ball when he lands on the other side of the fence and award one base? Does it matter if it's the outfield fence or a fence in foul territory?

Thanks guys!

Throws the ball back in from dead ball territory?

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by DG

Throws the ball back in from dead ball territory?

Legal from DBT (Not legal from stands - dead ball one base from the stands).

In NCAA you can groundrule that he has to return to LBT first.

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by bossman72

Just need a few clarifications on catch and carry per OBR:

1) Fielder makes catch in LBT, then momentum takes him into dead ball territory where he goes down to one knee and one hand, stands up, and then throws back to the field.

Would you consider this a "fall" in OBR or "lost body control" in NCAA and award one base? What about 2 knees? Basically what I'm asking is (OBR) when is a fall considered a fall for the purposes of this rule?

2) Fielder makes catch while sitting/balancing on the top of the fence. His feet then flop over to the other side of the fence and lands easily on both feet and makes a throw back to the field.

Would you kill the ball when he lands on the other side of the fence and award one base? Does it matter if it's the outfield fence or a fence in foul territory?

Thanks guys!

In 1) Once the fielder places a hand or knee on the ground, it is considered a fall. Award is one base. The one exception is, mainly NCAA interps, is that if a fielder slides to make a catch in live ball territory and slides into dead ball territory after the catch, the fielder is allowed to stand and throw.

In 2) Once a fielder leaves the playing field, it is a one base award if a catch is made.

Concerning catches where there is a defined dead ball territory, a player must have one or both feet on or over live ball territory and no foot touching the ground in dead ball territory in order for a legal catch to be made. Ex: F7 makes a catch with a) one foot on live ball territory and one foot over dead ball territory or b) one foot on live ball territory and one foot on dead ball territory or c) while diving to make the catch, both feet are in the air over dead ball territory. In a, this is a legal catch. In b and c, these are not considered legal catches.