(FED) THE Dumbest ...

[UmpTTS43]

JM

That is a doozy as well.

I know that we all know what FED intends, it's just too bad that they can't put it in writing.

At least MLB refuses to update their book unless something happens that they have to address. We know where they stand at least.

FED can't borrow that excuse.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43

JM

At least MLB refuses to update their book unless something happens that they have to address. We know where they stand at least.

There are over 200 errors in the OBR. A little updating wouldn't hurt.

[PeteBooth]

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43

JM

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There are at least 230 or so errors in the OBR rule-book and the OBR rule book is poorly indexed.

Here is a simple OBR rule.

A batter is HBP - what is the status of the ball?

Simple on the surface but what if you are reading the OBR book for the first time.

You have to go to another rule code (5) to find out that the ball is dead when B1 is HBP.

In OBR sometimes you have to go to 3-4 sections to get the COMPLETE answer.

FED is not perfect but at least they have a CASE book to explain. You might not agree or think it's dumb but at least it's explained.

In trying to understand OBR rules you need Evans / MLBUM or JR to get a good grasp of the rules.

Pete Booth

[Kevin Finnerty]

I don't know, or can't figure out why, if Jim Evans' annotated rule book is so fantastic, why is it unavailable?

Availability alone makes the Jaksa/Roder the premier reference: http://www.rulesofbaseball.com/

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

I don't know, or can't figure out why, if Jim Evans' annotated rule book is so fantastic, why is it unavailable?

Availability alone makes the Jaksa/Roder the premier reference: Rules of Baseball.com

It is currently being revised. You won't have to worry about it because it will be out of your price range anyways.

On the flip side, it will give you something else to b*tch about.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43

It is currently being revised. You won't have to worry about it because it will be out of your price range anyways.

On the flip side, it will give you something else to b*tch about.

My only gripe is when amateur publications like the Jim Evans Two-Umpire System Manual carry the price tag of a professionally written, edited and printed publication. It's an insult.

And I can both afford it and value it for its useful information, but the cut-rate manner in which it's delivered bears mention, considering how high the price is.

Be blind to it if you like, be blindly devoted to everything Evans if you like, and brand my criticism with a crude comment if you like, but it's still a fair and warranted criticism.

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

My only gripe is when amateur publications like the Jim Evans Two-Umpire System Manual carry the price tag of a professionally written, edited and printed publication. It's an insult.

And I can both afford it and value it for its useful information, but the cut-rate manner in which it's delivered bears mention, considering how high the price is.

Be blind to it if you like, be blindly devoted to everything Evans if you like, and brand my criticism with a crude comment if you like, but it's still a fair and warranted criticism.

Do you realize what a 250 page soft cover college textbook that size costs? About the same as what Evans book runs at. Would you prefer he put a hard-cover on it, make the pages glossy, and charge 150?

[Kevin Finnerty]

I put two kids through private high school and one of them is still in college. I am intimately familiar with the cost of dozens of textbooks, and it is that exact standard by which I place the value on this particular publication. Virtually ALL of the full-size paperback textbooks that I have purchased over the last dozen years are in that price range. ALL of them are professionally written, edited, illustrated and printed. ALL of them. The Evans manual is not.

The Evans book is fraught with errors. It even has errors on the cover! I know rather fully what is required to publish a printed instructional publication. And when it is done professionally, a price tag of $70 is fully justified. The price tag of $70 is not justified by this particular amateur publication.

I'm being unbiased and fair-minded, and am expressing an informed opinion. That's always been welcome in America. Why not in this little corner?

[ODJ]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

I don't know, or can't figure out why, if Jim Evans' annotated rule book is so fantastic, why is it unavailable?

Availability alone makes the Jaksa/Roder the premier reference: Rules of Baseball.com

It's listed on his website for sale: www.umpireacademy.com

[ODJ]

I'll settle for FED referring to R1 as the runner on first base, not the one closest to home plate.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by ODJ

It's listed on his website for sale: Jim Evans Academy of Professional Umpiring

The Jim Evans Annotated Rules of Baseball?

No it's not.

[PeteBooth]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Rules of Baseball.com

Hi Kevin:

I believe the MAJOR source for MLB is the MLBUM (major league baseball umpire manual). You can get that manual on line.

Pete Booth

[Kevin Finnerty]

Thank you, Pete. That's a good recommendation.

I got one of those last year. It's a wonderful resource. Frank Pulli and Steve Palermo were big contributors to it.

I got mine from ebay, but, oddly enough, it's available at the Jim Evans online store:
Jim Evans Academy of Professional Umpiring MLB Umpire Manual

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

There are at least 230 or so errors in the OBR rule-book and the OBR rule book is poorly indexed.

Here is a simple OBR rule.

A batter is HBP - what is the status of the ball?

Simple on the surface but what if you are reading the OBR book for the first time.

You have to go to another rule code (5) to find out that the ball is dead when B1 is HBP.

In OBR sometimes you have to go to 3-4 sections to get the COMPLETE answer.

FED is not perfect but at least they have a CASE book to explain. You might not agree or think it's dumb but at least it's explained.

In trying to understand OBR rules you need Evans / MLBUM or JR to get a good grasp of the rules.

Pete Booth

I concur and totally understand.

Unfortunately MLB does not feel that they need to do a rewrite of the rule book. Since they refuse, we have to use other sources in order to get proper interpretations and "spirit of the rule" rulings.

My point with FED is that they are constantly changing their rule book and are still getting multiple things wrong, leaving old case plays in, etc. That is the frustrating part when dealing with FED.