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That's exactly the point.
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In the Varitek play, the drop was AFTER the tag was complete which had no value. The fact that he dropped it was NOT caused by applying the tag. He dropped it b/c he hit the ground which was subsequent to the tag being applied. This is why it is "unlike a catch". The ground can cause the fielder to drop the ball and it NOT be a catch. A tag is different in that the force of hitting the ground and coming out has no bearing on the outcome of the tag if the tag was completed prior to. Also, "unlike a catch", the fielder can bobble the ball during the act of catching it and regain possession before it touches the ground, an offensive player, or an umpire. The ball has to be secure during the tag attempt. If bobbled during the attempt and possession is regained after the attempt, then the tag wasn't legal and anything after it has no value(regaining possession).
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That depends if you follow JEA or J/R. The Varitek play is a difference in interpretations between these two fine sources.
We hammered this to death on the various boards when this play actually happened. There were those in the JEA camp and those in the J/R camp. As I went to Joe's school, which used J/R as its textbook, I would have (and did actually call similar plays) had a "no tag". |
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And, at the time, MLB upheld the ruling made by the umpires on the field - valid tag.
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1. MLB agreed with Evans 2. There are differences in rulings between MLB and MiLB. |
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MiLB guys said since it was in the heat of the world series, they stuck by the umpires. Ultimately, it was wrong. |
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I think the MiLB guys are wrong.
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Remember this, a tag is not complete the moment the fielder touches the runner or base. It is complete when he is no longer touching the runner or base. Or, he still has secure possession at the time action has stopped. To imagine or see all nuances to this requires experience on the field. It's kind of hard to explain in writing, easier in motion.
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