Mark McGwire admits to long-term steroid use!

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually his career started in 1981 and he was the Rookie of the year in 1987 where he hit 49 home runs in Oakland. I guess you need to check again.

Okay, let's let Mark's statement speak for itself: ""I remember trying steroids very briefly in the 1989-1990 offseason and then after I was injured in 1993, I used steroids again," McGwire said in his statement. "I used them on occasion throughout the '90s, including during the 1998 season.""

Now do you understand? He used steroids after they were made illegal without prescription under the laws of this land and after MLB prohibited their use completely.

How were they illegal? Baseball made them illegal? Or the law made them illegal?

Asked and answered.

And if steroids are illegal,

If? IF?????

why do people that have many diseases and conditions take steroids? I guess they are illegal to take there as well? People that have asthma and other muscle conditions can take and do take steroids. But hey, they are illegal right?

Oh, my God. You seriously don't know the difference between anabolic, androgenic and cortico steroids.

And since Baseball (unlike Football) had a policy against these drugs, then I would agree that they were illegal to take as a baseball player. But they were not illegal according to the rules

Yes they were. Even McGwire knew that. What keeps you from understanding that?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Oh, my God. You seriously don't know the difference between anabolic, androgenic and cortico steroids.

I guess you seriously do not know that leagues like the NFL does not make a distinction and outlaws all those drugs and WADA is even more strict from an Olympic point of view. I said this before, there have been NFL players that were suspended because of taking legal and prescribed substances, but the NFL still suspended those players because these are not legal substances. And in some cases the NFL had to be taken to court to either reduce or allow players to play that were taking prescribed substances. Baseball has the worst drug policy in all of professional sports in this country and did not even have a drug testing program that included PEDs until 2005. And the penalties were minor until recently if caught. Whereas if you did so in the NFL, you were put into a program and might be suspended for an entire season if you were caught with such a substance. Baseball had to wait until they were brought to Congress and participate in a hearing before they took drastic steps to make any steroid illegal through testing. Just writing a letter telling everyone you do not approve is not enough. BTW, players in the NFL get popped all the time for over the counter substances that are deemed illegal by the NFL.

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Yes they were. Even McGwire knew that. What keeps you from understanding that?

I seem to understand the issue better than you do. Because what is legal in the law is not legal in sports leagues or in the Olympics no matter what you can take with a prescription. And you must not understand that those organizations just do not say they are illegal, they test for them. And WADA even holds testing material so when they develop tests later they can find out if those are taking substances that are considered illegal.

Peace

[MrUmpire]

My head hurts.

My mistake. I thought we were talking about baseball and the use of PEDs which are illegal without a prescription and which were specfically banned by MLB. (MLB did not ban the other steroids when used with a prescription.

I'll just leave it at this, Mark McGwire admitted to the illegal use of substances banned by baseball and stated that he used them during the time they were illegal and banned. His admission is clear. He has no need for apologists. Save your efforts and "through the looking glass logic" for the next round Barry Bonds will go through.

Now, where the heck is that ignore switch again?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

My head hurts.

It should, because it shows you cannot deal with the actual facts and want to just say something is illegal because you are carried away with fantasy issues.

Peace

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It should, because it shows you cannot deal with the actual facts and want to just say something is illegal because you are carried away with fantasy issues.

Peace

You are a shameless Barry Bonds apologist and you will scale any height of ignorance on this issue to simply make a case in his defense. Bonds's actions in every phase of his life make Mark McGwire look like a Boy Scout.

A: All controlled substances--and not just those previously listed--were against MLB rules starting in 1991.

B: Unprescribed anabolic steroids have been a controlled substance since then as well.

SEE: All major league players, who used or possessed unprescribed anabolic steroids after 1991 were breaking MLB rules and federal law.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

You are a shameless Barry Bonds apologist and you will scale any height of ignorance on this issue to simply make a case in his defense. Bonds's actions in every phase of his life make Mark McGwire look like a Boy Scout.

A: All controlled substances--and not just those previously listed--were against MLB rules starting in 1991.

B: Unprescribed anabolic steroids have been a controlled substance since then as well.

SEE: All major league players, who used or possessed unprescribed anabolic steroids after 1991 were breaking MLB rules and federal law.

I honestly do not care Kevin. These records do not mean anything to me. Who won the games is all that matters and basing someone one who did something 100 years ago as if no one could pass them is also silly. Barry Bonds did not win any more games, neither did McGuire. Michael Jordan was not judged as truly a good player until he won something. He was one of the greatest scorers and he was not judged to be the best until he won multiple titles.

Bonds did not even win a World Series. McGuire came up small in the post season often even when they won in the late 80s with Oakland. He did not get back to another won after he left Oakland. If McGuire is a Hall of Famer, he is only that way because of his bat. And with smaller stadiums and places were the ball launches out of them without much effort. Hell there is now drug testing and look at what happen to the new Yankee Stadium. There were just about as many home runs as there ever was in the old stadium. No one pitches inside anymore and the game is played for power as opposed for pitching and defense. And you want me to be apologetic for Bonds?

I could give a crap about some record and the fact that some clown actually thinks that players that boozed it up every night and went to games on a train are better at hitting a ball than someone that has technology and training (no matter how they did it) is the reason baseball is going to continue to lack behind the other sports. I do not care what Hank Aaron did 50 years ago anymore. I certainly could give a damn what Babe Ruth did, he did not even play against the best players of his era on a regular basis. But we are outraged over some drugs when we have more teams, more sorry players and compare that against an era that did not let some of the best players even participate because of their skin color. Sorry, this is not about Bonds, McGuire or anyone of this era. No wonder the NFL and NBA pass the MLB by.

Peace