Infield Fly

[celebur]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

A) A fly ball that drops in shallow center that doubles up a batter-runner is the result of loafing, or some other form of horrible base running. How can it happen otherwise?

Yes, which is why the IFF requires runners at first and second or with the bases loaded. . .as in the OP. I don't think anybody else was talking about doubling up the batter-runner in this sitch.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by celebur

Yes, which is why the IFF requires runners at first and second or with the bases loaded. . .as in the OP. I don't think anybody else was talking about doubling up the batter-runner in this sitch.

And it is horrible base running and/or loafing for the trail runner and lead runner to both get caught on a fly ball to center with the infield in. Inexcusable, really.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

And it is horrible base running and/or loafing for the trail runner and lead runner to both get caught on a fly ball to center with the infield in. Inexcusable, really.

The runner that gets put out 2nd is the horrible loafer.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Thanks, Dash ... I needed somebody to understand what I was imparting. It takes a blend of one or two runners with their heads up their @sses, and at least one who's loafing.

(And, have you worked a [SUNY] game that Tyler Johnson pitched yet?)

[johnnyg08]

yeah, the coaches will whine and want you to bail them out for their lack of coaching this concept...oh well.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Thanks, Dash ... I needed somebody to understand what I was imparting. It takes a blend of one or two runners with their heads up their @sses, and at least one who's loafing.

(And, have you worked a [SUNY] game that Tyler Johnson pitched yet?)

Not yet - hopefully next year. I did have Tropeano though. Someone did a good job of recruiting to land those two freshmen.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Not yet - hopefully next year. I did have Tropeano though. Someone did a good job of recruiting to land those two freshmen.

They have a guy hanging around here, and they signed Johnson before he had a chance to play his senior year. I heard about the other guy you referred to. Tyler said he's the goods.

Johnson's lefty teammate in high school was Sean Gilmartin, also a freshman, who went 12-2 for Florida State this year, and led the A.C.C. in wins. And there was a third guy on that team that had a little twinge, or that would make three D-I starters from one high school team. He wound up being a left fielder at Loyola, and is probably going to pitch this year. My son was a short reliever on that team, but with those guys around, it was a lonely job.

I can't wait until you have Johnson--he's as close to Orel Hershiser as I have ever seen. I watched him go 20-0 as a varsity starter.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

The runner that gets put out 2nd is the horrible loafer.

Read the OP

"CF lets it drop". Intentional legal act - situation based.

R1 or R2 is screwed no matter what. He reads potential catch. If he goes CF catches it and he's doubled off. If he stays CF lets it drop he's out at some base.

BR is the loafer - he should be at first in either case.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Read the OP

"CF lets it drop". Intentional legal act - situation based.

R1 or R2 is screwed no matter what. He reads potential catch. If he goes CF catches it and he's doubled off. If he stays CF lets it drop he's out at some base.

BR is the loafer - he should be at first in either case.

I read the OP and I stand by my statement. As soon as F8 lets it drop, all runners should be off and running. Whoever is put out 2nd is the lazy lout (including the BR).

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

I read the OP and I stand by my statement. As soon as F8 lets it drop, all runners should be off and running. Whoever is put out 2nd is the lazy lout (including the BR).

It has nothing to do with being lazy. The runner's are screwed because they don't know whether or not it will be caught. If they wait and it's dropped they're screwed. If they go and it's caught they're screwed. That's the whole reason the IFF rule exists in the first place.

[dash_riprock]

Never mind

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

It has nothing to do with being lazy. The runner's are screwed because they don't know whether or not it will be caught. If they wait and it's dropped they're screwed. If they go and it's caught they're screwed. That's the whole reason the IFF rule exists in the first place.

I think Dash is referring to leagues with proper coaching. I haven't run into a coach in recent memory who would have his runners sit on their bags on that fly ball.

[johnnyg08]

on a trouble ball as it is described, the runners shouldn't be standing on the base anyway...they should at a minimum be 6 - 10 feet off of the base in case it does drop. sounds like poor base running to me

[dash_riprock]

Rich,

Assuming good baserunning, F8 hurts his team by letting the ball drop. Yes, one runner is going to be "screwed" and out on a force (probably R1), but R3 scores and the B/R is on 1st since he ran out the fly ball.

F8 makes the catch - bases loaded, two out, no runs.
F8 lets it drop - R1, R3, two out, one in.

The only way you get a DP to end the inning is with horrible loafers on the bases.

[SanDiegoSteve]

And anyone wearing horrible loafers on the basepaths shouldn't be playing to start with!