appeal or force out

[jicecone]

"on a missed base, at what pt in time does it turn from a force out to an appeal play"


OBR 2.0 "A FORCE PLAY is a play in which a runner legally loses his right to occupy a base by reason of the batter becoming a runner." If a runner, (that is forced) is either tagged or the base is contacted by a fielder in possession of the ball, before obtaining contact with the next base, you have a "Forced out".

OBR 2.00 "An APPEAL is the act of a fielder in claiming violation of the rules by the offensive team." In this case a missed base.

The force out can ONLY be removed by tagging or putting the following runner out (the runner or runners behind the forced runner) before the forced runner.

In other words, an appeal has nothing to do with a forced out however, a forced out definitely can have a bearing on the results of an appeal.

[greymule]

Keep in mind that after a runner misses a base to which he is forced, the force is not removed by the putout of a following runner.

R1, R3, one out. Batter hits safely down the RF line. R3 scores, R1 misses 2B and makes it to 3B. BR is thrown out at 2B trying for a double. The defense then successfully appeals R1's miss of 2B. This third out is still a force play, and R3's run would not count.

On the other hand: R1, R3, one out. BR grounds to F3, who steps on 1B to retire the BR and then throws wild to 2B in an attempt to get R1. R1 misses 2B and makes it to 3B while R3 scores. The defense successfully appeals R1's miss of 2B. This third out is not a force out, and R3's run counts.

I'm sure most posters know this, but given the original questions, I thought these examples might be useful.

[johnnyg08]

These are great examples and definitely the finer points of the rule.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by greymule

Keep in mind that after a runner misses a base to which he is forced, the force is not removed by the putout of a following runner..

Great point, Greymule.