Little League: Kentucky vs. Texas

[briancurtin]

Orel first said that it should be a foul ball.

I thought it was a top notch "throwing under the bus" move by the PU to explain to the coach that U1 made a call of foul because he doesn't understand much English.

[RKBUmp]

The announcers keep throwing the umpires under the bus by continually emphasizing that they are "volunteers" and pay their own way.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

The announcers keep throwing the umpires under the bus by continually emphasizing that they are "volunteers" and pay their own way.

I beg to differ. They point out consistently that EVERYONE is a volunteer. There have been plenty of times they could have thrown the umpires under the bus and they refrain most every time.

-Josh

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by jdmara

I beg to differ. They point out consistently that EVERYONE is a volunteer. There have been plenty of times they could have thrown the umpires under the bus and they refrain most every time.

-Josh

It also appears they don't show replays of close calls more than once or twice, and I have yet to see a replay of a called strike three.

[kheisner]

Some of those poor kids have gotten rung up on some real nasty strike three calls this week.

It is not like the MLB World Series where they replay those calls.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by yawetag

It also appears they don't show replays of close calls more than once or twice, and I have yet to see a replay of a called strike three.

I think it's in the MLB rules...they're not supposed to show it at the game anyway. Unless you're referring to the LLWS which the thread it titled...then I guess I don't know.

[MOofficial]

If anyone saw the Japan vs. Mexico game last night, the word "nasty" for at least two of the third strikes does not do it enough justice. The catcher was set up at least half way in the other batters box, pitcher threw it right where he was suppose to, batter watches the ball go right here which is about 2 ft from the plate, and the PU rings em up and sets em down.

Do not get me wrong I do my fair share of games for that age group in the summer in my hometown to help out with the program and the zone does get big when the game is dragging on, but to call that on ESPN, only the biggest sports station in the world, for kids who are the best in the world in that age group is a little disappointing. The only way a batter would be able to even think about touching those pitches would be with an oar, and thats the truth. No "legal" bat would come close to that unless you step on the plate to swing.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by MOofficial

If anyone saw the Japan vs. Mexico game last night, the word "nasty" for at least two of the third strikes does not do it enough justice. The catcher was set up at least half way in the other batters box, pitcher threw it right where he was suppose to, batter watches the ball go right here which is about 2 ft from the plate, and the PU rings em up and sets em down.

Do not get me wrong I do my fair share of games for that age group in the summer in my hometown to help out with the program and the zone does get big when the game is dragging on, but to call that on ESPN, only the biggest sports station in the world, for kids who are the best in the world in that age group is a little disappointing. The only way a batter would be able to even think about touching those pitches would be with an oar, and thats the truth. No "legal" bat would come close to that unless you step on the plate to swing.

Yeah, even Eric Gregg would have thought those pitches were balls. Pretty brutal umpiring in this LLWS overall. Some good, but some dreadful.

But they're all volunteers!

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by briancurtin

Orel first said that it should be a foul ball.

I thought it was a top notch "throwing under the bus" move by the PU to explain to the coach that U1 made a call of foul because he doesn't understand much English.

Orel never recanted that statement. People all over the country now still believe that it was a foul ball and not a dead ball strike. Here they had the perfect captive audience to educate fans everywhere, and they blew their big chance.

The PU did end up blowing the call as well by saying on national TV that it was a foul ball, going along with U1's assessment.

[jdmara]

What bothers me about watching the LLWS is that the umpires call time/put the ball in play when they don't need to. IE after walks the umpires tend to put the call back in play. I didn't know that a walk was a dead ball situation

-Josh

[jwwashburn]

I am not sure exactly how that works in Little League. You cannot leave the base until gets to(crosses?) home plate. Could you take second base on a walk if there was a passed ball? Is the ball live? Between batters? Not really, I guess.

Maybe that is why these guys are trained to do what they are doing...seems a little bit odd to me.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

I am not sure exactly how that works in Little League. You cannot leave the base until gets to(crosses?) home plate. Could you take second base on a walk if there was a passed ball? Is the ball live? Between batters? Not really, I guess.

Maybe that is why these guys are trained to do what they are doing...seems a little bit odd to me.

They can't leave the base until the pitch reaches the batter. The ball is live, just like regular baseball. The umpire, especially the goof working the California/Mass game, kept giving the count, then putting up a stop sign, then pointing it back in play after nearly every pitch when the batter wasn't quite ready in the box. Ridiculous.

But they're volunteering their time.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

They can't leave the base until the pitch reaches the batter. The ball is live, just like regular baseball. The umpire, especially the goof working the California/Mass game, kept giving the count, then putting up a stop sign, then pointing it back in play after nearly every pitch when the batter wasn't quite ready in the box. Ridiculous.

But they're volunteering their time.

They did that in one of the regionals as well. He would put the ball in play before EVERY pitch in the game. It looked pretty goofy.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

I am not sure exactly how that works in Little League. You cannot leave the base until gets to(crosses?) home plate. Could you take second base on a walk if there was a passed ball? Is the ball live? Between batters? Not really, I guess.

Maybe that is why these guys are trained to do what they are doing...seems a little bit odd to me.

Sure you can try for 2B on a walk. To summarize LL rule 7.13, the runner must stay on his base once the pitcher has the ball and is on the pitchers plate and the catcher is in position to catch. As in regular OBR the ball stays live until and unless there is a reason to call time.

This holding up the pitcher/pointing the ball in is a combination of bad habits and a lack of training.

[jwwashburn]

So, after a walk, if the catcher fires the ball back to the pitcher, the BR has to go to first and stay? Is there something in there about there having to be a batter in the box or, just the pitcher and catcher must be ready?

I can imagine some interesting walks with a runner on third situations...