Too Many Ejection Clips

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by kylejt

So I guess you saw yet another missed play at the plate at Petco this evening.

Yes, I was at the game collecting my Hall of Fame cap. I was in the nosebleed seats, but even from way up there in the Bob Uecker section, Barksdale appeared to kick the living crap out that call. Cabrerra clearly slapped the plate with his hand. As soon as I saw Barksdale not make a call, I knew what was going to happen.

This was in the bottom of the 5th. Barksdale was booed on every pitch for 2 more innings. Funny as hell.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Yes, I was at the game collecting my Hall of Fame cap. I was in the nosebleed seats, but even from way up there in the Bob Uecker section, Barksdale appeared to kick the living crap out that call. Cabrerra clearly slapped the plate with his hand. As soon as I saw Barksdale not make a call, I knew what was going to happen.

This was in the bottom of the 5th. Barksdale was booed on every pitch for 2 more innings. Funny as hell.

The replay I just saw told me one of two things: either the hand went entirely over the plate and missed it entirely, or he lifted it up before it had crossed the plate fully. I wish I had a better angle.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Matt

The replay I just saw told me one of two things: either the hand went entirely over the plate and missed it entirely, or he lifted it up before it had crossed the plate fully. I wish I had a better angle.

I saw that replay on BB Tonight, but I called my wife right after the play, and then later she told me that they showed several angles, and one clearly showed his hand hitting the plate. I even questioned her about it after watching the replay, and she was pretty adamant. So was Tony Gwynn. So was Dick Williams. And they're usually pretty unbiased and objective.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by Matt

The replay I just saw told me one of two things: either the hand went entirely over the plate and missed it entirely, or he lifted it up before it had crossed the plate fully. I wish I had a better angle.

Not one angle was from ground or eye level. Barksdale is reputed to have said the hand never touched "down." I couldn't tell from any of the replays.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by Ump153

I couldn't tell from any of the replays.

Wow! I know I'm a fourth generation San Diegan, but still his hand was clearly on the middle of the dish. Ask Eckstein, who was pleading with the PU "I promise you, I promise you!". Now that was funny.

And once the replay was played on some of the monitors, word got around pretty quickly about it. Hats off to Padres fans for not letting up. Usually they're pretty, um, laid back compared to more savvy fans.

Yup, two blown plate calls, two days in a row.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Ump153

Not one angle was from ground or eye level. Barksdale is reputed to have said the hand never touched "down." I couldn't tell from any of the replays.

Are you calling my wife a liar?

If my wife says she saw his hand touch the plate, trust me, he touched the plate. She is not prone to exaggeration.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Are you calling my wife a liar?

If my wife says she saw his hand touch the plate, trust me, he touched the plate. She is not prone to exaggeration.

No. Do you call her a liar whenever you disagree?

I simply said that none of the replays I saw were from the same level as Barksdale's view. I believe it is possible that Barksdale was correct in saying the hand passed over the plate. If that is true, it simply means that your wife, due to the limits of the camera angles, could be mistaken.

Or Barksdale could be mistaken. Or, using your logic, Barksdale could be lying.

Personally, I doubt anyone is lying about this. They are all probably telling the truth that their eyes revealed to them.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Are you calling my wife a liar?

If my wife says she saw his hand touch the plate, trust me, he touched the plate. She is not prone to exaggeration.

You know I would never call your wife a liar, brother. But from the angle above the plate that I saw this morning it looked to me like it was entirely possible that his hand never made contact with the dish.


Tim.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Ump153

No. Do you call her a liar whenever you disagree?

I simply said that none of the replays I saw were from the same level as Barksdale's view. I believe it is possible that Barksdale was correct in saying the hand passed over the plate. If that is true, it simply means that your wife, due to the limits of the camera angles, could be mistaken.

Or Barksdale could be mistaken. Or, using your logic, Barksdale could be lying.

Personally, I doubt anyone is lying about this. They are all probably telling the truth that their eyes revealed to them.

Were you watching the game when it happened?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Piniella just got run for arguing and pointing to where F4 was way off the base on a DP ball. I had the runner as safe, myself. We'll have to see replays. I think the throw drew F4 well off the base. Guccione kicked it big time.

[SanDiegoSteve]

And the Cubs broadcaster then correctly analyzed why the call didn't qualify as a "neighborhood play," since the throw drew F4 off the base.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Were you watching the game when it happened?

I saw a delayed telecast on one of my MLB channels. (I have the Comcast full MLB package.) Same camera work, including replays, a couple hours later.

I then saw replays from at least four different cameras on ESPN, none of which could prove BigUmp56's post incorrect. And none of which could prove your wife's opinion incorrect. That's all I'm saying, I have seen no visual evidence that proves Barksdale was correct or incorrect. All I have is what he said, and inconclusive video.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

You know I would never call your wife a liar, brother. But from the angle above the plate that I saw this morning it looked to me like it was entirely possible that his hand never made contact with the dish.


Tim.

Yeah, from that angle I couldn't tell either. But from David Eckstein's angle, which was kneeling about 10 feet from the call, with as good a look at it as Barksdale had, swore up and down that the hand touched the plate. Not that you can trust a rat, normally, but Eckstien's a pretty square shooter, and was probably being honest.






I wish I had the next frame of this!:

[SanDiegoSteve]

Okay, I just saw the replay that my wife was talking about prior to the start of today's Padres/Mets game. It was from the 3rd base dugout camera with a zoom lens, and his hand smacked that plate as plain as day, to which Tony Gwynn again said that it was an "obviously blown call."

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Okay, I just saw the replay that my wife was talking about prior to the start of today's Padres/Mets game. It was from the 3rd base dugout camera with a zoom lens, and his hand smacked that plate as plain as day, to which Tony Gwynn again said that it was an "obviously blown call."

Can you post a link to the video?