Strike two/Ball four

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

According to Vin Scully the count was 3-2. It woud have been a strike 'em out throw 'em out situation. Cooper came up and signaled a swinging strike call. He must of said ball because Ethier dropped his bat and was removing his shin guard at the plate. Meriweather banged Furcal out stealing at 2B.

If the count was 3 and 2, then Cooper's strike signal was as weak as his Time signal. It's like he called it too fast, then mid-signal changed his mind, and didn't do a full punch out. The old "strike-ball" call. I've never done one. Whatever I call it, it stays that way, even when I know immediately that I screwed it up.

Oh, but now after watching the video, it was 3 and 1. Never mind.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by realistic

the worst thing is Coop's timing was so fast. The pitch was a ball like he thought it was. Maybe that was Bruce Campbell's hand signaling strike.

The pitch was right on the corner, or just off. It was very close and he should have left it a strike. Changing your mind is weak. Cooper has never impressed me all that much, speaking of which umps rank where. You are right that he called it too quickly. I haven't seen an arm shoot out that fast since Frank Pulli retired.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by zebra2955

Just a question. If it was ball four then wouldn't the home run have been a 3 run bomb?

You are most certainly correct, it was a 3-run shot.

[rbmartin]

Originally Posted by Ump153

That's not realistic. Meriweather's back was already turned when Cooper's feeble time signal went up. And when did the rule change that a walk killed play?

7.04 Each runner, other than the batter, may without liability to be put out, advance one base when (b) The batter's advance without liability to be put out forces the runner to vacate his base, .....

You are correct, the ball is not dead but he still gets 2nd without liability. If he would have overslidden, he could be tagged out. If there was an overthrow, he could advance further, (unless you consider Coopers weak timeout signal killed the play).

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

7.04 Each runner, other than the batter, may without liability to be put out, advance one base when (b) The batter's advance without liability to be put out forces the runner to vacate his base, .....

You are correct, the ball is not dead but he still gets 2nd without liability. If he would have overslidden, he could be tagged out. If there was an overthrow, he could advance further,

I think we all know this.

(unless you consider Coopers weak timeout signal killed the play).

It seems that is what Cooper said.

[rbmartin]

[QUOTE=Ump153;619578]I think we all know this./QUOTE]

I'm sorry, I misunderstood your original post. My bad.