Did I see that Right? - Page 2

ozzy6900 · #16 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 06, 2009, 06:58pm

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Originally Posted by Klokard

How about doing this. "Coach, I know you're joking because that is an illegal switch." Put runners back where they belong and play on. Why not at least attempt to handle it in a non-confrontational manner?

Nope! Gone, gone & gone! All 3 knew they were cheating so bye-bye, Buy Bonds!

RogersUmp · #17 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 07, 2009, 02:34pm

Hawkdriver signed up over two years ago and this is his/her 1st post??

Kevin Finnerty · #18 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 07, 2009, 02:46pm

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Originally Posted by Ump Rube

Would that be a shmockery?

No, it's sham-mockery, a mockery of a sham of a mockery. If you're 40-plus, you should know the origin.

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Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Nope! Gone, gone & gone! All 3 knew they were cheating so bye-bye, Buy Bonds!

GOD, Ozzy, I would just love to see you do it! I think I would enjoy it more than if I did it myself.

Durham · #19 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 07, 2009, 03:06pm

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Originally Posted by hawkdriver

What's the ruling here - after a base hit with runner on first - we now have runners on first and second. Coach calls timeout and has runners switch bases putting the faster runner on second and the slower runner on first (he was the runner on second). Is this legal?

Not legal, but if it is summer baseball then who cares. around here they do a lot of crazy stuff in summer ball and I don't even get a line-up card at the plate.

ozzy6900 · #20 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 07, 2009, 07:01pm

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Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

No, it's sham-mockery, a mockery of a sham of a mockery. If you're 40-plus, you should know the origin.

GOD, Ozzy, I would just love to see you do it! I think I would enjoy it more than if I did it myself.

Last Summer, I had the plate on an 18U tournament semifinal. After a lengthy stop due to an injury on the BR at 1st base, it was apparent to me that R2 & R3 switched. The manager was talking to the runners while the trainer was tending to the injury of the BR. Anyway, I took the lineup card and called my partners behind the mound. We agreed that according to the lineup, R2 & R3 definatly switched. R2 (now on 3rd) was looking guilty as sin and R3 (on 2nd) would not make eye contact with me.

We broke the meeting, and we went back to our positions and I put the ball in play and then called TIME! I strolled to the "C" position, hooked R2 with my left hand and R3 with my right so that I made a full circle. The manager came charging out of the dugout and as soon as he was past the foul line, I pointed at him with my left and hooked him with my right! I turned and walked to the "B" position and U3 got the manager off the field.

I then called the new offensive manager out to the mound along with the defensive manager so we could get the substitutes straightened out. The defensive manager said "Damn, I thought that I was supposed to appeal that double switch but I didn't know how to approach it!" . He offensive manager just smiled and said that we "....won't see that again in this game.". Three innings later, the game ended with the cheaters down by 4.

My partners told me that my 3 way ejection was "beautifully executed"! I am just happy that I didn't fall on my arse when I did it!

DG · #21 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 07, 2009, 09:47pm

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Originally Posted by ozzy6900

We broke the meeting, and we went back to our positions and I put the ball in play and then called TIME! I strolled to the "C" position, hooked R2 with my left hand and R3 with my right so that I made a full circle. The manager came charging out of the dugout and as soon as he was past the foul line, I pointed at him with my left and hooked him with my right!

The only difference I can see in how I would have handled is that I would have gotten all 3 with a right hand toss. I never toss with the left.

bossman72 · #22 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 07, 2009, 09:59pm

a FED interpretation actually says to call R2 out for passing and call R3 out for running the bases in reverse order to make a travesty of the game.

I probably would do that and toss as well!

DG · #23 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 07, 2009, 10:21pm

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Originally Posted by bossman72

a FED interpretation actually says to call R2 out for passing and call R3 out for running the bases in reverse order to make a travesty of the game.

I probably would do that and toss as well!

Cite this bulls*t interpretation please so we can all be FED learned. What does it say do about the HC?

SanDiegoSteve · #24 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 07, 2009, 10:23pm

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Originally Posted by DG

The only difference I can see in how I would have handled is that I would have gotten all 3 with a right hand toss. I never toss with the left.

Me neither. My mask is in that hand making it hard to point to the exit.

bossman72 · #25 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 07, 2009, 10:29pm

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Originally Posted by DG

Cite this bulls*t interpretation please so we can all be FED learned. What does it say do about the HC?

From my 2008 BRD section 427:

After a time out where all runners huddled, the umpire discovers that R1 switched places wit R2. Both runners are out - R2 for running the bases in reverse order; R1 for passing a preceding runner [Website, 2003, #3]

DG · #26 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 07, 2009, 10:32pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron

I sincerely doubt, however, that even t-ballers would not know which base they were on before time was called.

A 6 year old would definitely know which base they were on and be totally confused if told to go to a different base. I expect it would create quite a scene.