Ball out of play

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Don't you have to decide if it was deflected or thrown first? If deflected it could be a HR or 2B depending on where it was deflected or where went over the fence. If thrown it's 2 bases.[/I]

As I read the OP, "the ball skipped into his glove." So this ball is no longer "in flight" and therefore cannot be a home run. I'm with 2 bases from TOP on this play. This seems pretty simple to explain to the managers, but they still may want to argue...

[Dave Reed]

MLBUM 5.8 has a pretty extensive listing of circumstance involving balls deflected out of play.

My summary: TOT if a player intentionally deflects a batted or thrown ball out of play; or has complete control before the ball is dropped, deflected, or kicked OOP.

Otherwise, it is TOP.

Of course, the award is 2 bases.

[briancurtin]

I think I agree with SDS, but...

...how does this even happen? He'd have to flick the ball over 100 feet if he was playing at a regular depth and dove forward.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by briancurtin

...how does this even happen? He'd have to flick the ball over 100 feet if he was playing at a regular depth and dove forward.

I didn't see it. However, I had the first game on the same field in the same wind. We had a pop up over the mound that F4 caught in short right field.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Dave Reed

MLBUM 5.8 has a pretty extensive listing of circumstance involving balls deflected out of play.

My summary: TOT if a player intentionally deflects a batted or thrown ball out of play; or has complete control before the ball is dropped, deflected, or kicked OOP.

Otherwise, it is TOP.

Of course, the award is 2 bases.

Right. Unfortunately, that's not what happened on the field. He decided that since the fielder touched the ball, it should be TOT.

I asked him whether he had judged that the fielder had intentionally flipped the ball up or whether he had control, and he said no. So I told him that it should have been TOP ("ground rule double").

He told me to look it up, 'cuz they had used the book on the field.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I asked him whether he had judged that the fielder had intentionally flipped the ball up or whether he had control, and he said no. So I told him that it should have been TOP ("ground rule double").

So, what do I win?

[umpjim]

I'm having a hard time with whether TOP or TOT would have mattered in this case since it was a liner. Where were the runners awarded?