Why not another? 9U play

[cc6]

Mr. Umpire told me that I am acting like a coach on an umpire board. I will attempt an objective perspective, which is hard to do after all the inflammatory postings made in the OP's direction.

One of the coach's jobs is to win games using good sportsmanship.

The main debate is whether jwwashburn was breaking the rules of good sportsmanship when he tried to decieve the umpire.

Let's list some terms that we associate with sportsmanship, and discuss whether the attempt to decieve violated any of them.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by cc6

Mr. Umpire told me that I am acting like a coach on an umpire board. I will attempt an objective perspective, which is hard to do after all the inflammatory postings made in the OP's direction.

One of the coach's jobs is to win games using good sportsmanship.

The main debate is whether jwwashburn was breaking the rules of good sportsmanship when he tried to decieve the umpire.

Let's list some terms that we associate with sportsmanship, and discuss whether the attempt to decieve violated any of them.

I don't need to read any more negative comments about poor cell phone McGee. If you have any dignity left for Mr McGoo, why choose to continue to "dump on the young ump" and bring it here for the "umpteenth" time. All this could have been averted had the "coach" taught the little boy to run to the next base. There were some good comments provided by J Paco and others. But those comments have been "drowned out" trying to keep the rat in his box.

In summary 1) Rats have no business talking to the umpire after the game ends to clarify anything.
2) Rats have no business talking to the umpire between innings of a game to clarify anything. In short, the rat should have left the field without exchanging words with the umpire. He got away with some more cheese.
3) The only reason we discuss the proper or improper behavior of rats is to keep our cheese.

[DonInKansas]

Originally Posted by SAump

and bring it here for the "umpteenth" time.

HA! Umpteenth........

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by SAump

I don't need to read any more negative comments about poor cell phone McGee. If you have any dignity left for Mr McGoo, why choose to continue to "dump on the young ump" and bring it here for the "umpteenth" time. All this could have been averted had the "coach" taught the little boy to run to the next base.

The "young ump" is an adult who took a job that he was not qualified to do. He made no effort to do said job properly.

Incredible that you would say: "all this could have been averted....If the coach." The UMPIRE blew the incredibly easy call. He might have been the only person there that did not know that the kid was supposed to be out. Think about that...even the 9 year old players knew that this moron got the call wrong....even the grandmothers knew it. But, it is allllll the coach's fault.

Which is easier...teaching a 9 yr old to get to the base when he is crying or an adult umpire to call him out when he is tagged way off the base. Ohhh, poor Cell Phone McGhee had never seen a play like before.....the coach should have helped him....Booo hoooo!!!

The 9 yr old runner had never been beaned by a thrown ball while running before, either.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

1The "young ump" is an adult who took a job that he was not qualified to do. 2He made no effort to do said job properly.

Incredible that you would say: "all this could have been averted....If the coach." 3The UMPIRE blew the incredibly easy call. 4He might have been the only person there that did not know that the kid was supposed to be out. Think about that...5even the 9 year old players knew that this moron got the call wrong....6even the grandmothers knew it. But, it is allllll the coach's fault.

Guess you didn't understand my message. It would be easier to agree that yes, the young umpire did err. I would not go any further than that.

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Which is easier...teaching a 9 yr old to get to the base when he is crying or an adult umpire to call him out when he is tagged way off the base. Ohhh, poor Cell Phone McGhee had never seen a play like before.....the coach should have helped him....Booo hoooo!!!

The 9 yr old runner had never been beaned by a thrown ball while running before, either.

So you had a dumb ump, possibly two. It would have been easier to educate both umpires. Remember your team's objective to legally score that run. As you continue to suggest, this would have been impossible for you to do in front of your players, fans and the other team. Incredible that you would say all this again. But knowing that, telling little Johnny not to stop until he reached the next base safely would not be very hard at all.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Any player that says, "No, I did not catch it" is a moron and also benched.

That ties for...well, you know...

Originally Posted by SAump

I don't need to read any more negative comments about poor cell phone McGee. If you have any dignity left for Mr McGoo, why choose to continue to "dump on the young ump" and bring it here for the "umpteenth" time.

I got tired of the comments a long time ago as well.

Originally Posted by cc6

Another inflammatory post. All these shots are taken at jwwashburn, yet my post to LMan saying it was addition by subtraction when he left the board a couple years ago gets deleted!?!?! Where is the fairness and consistency in what posts get deleted and which ones don't? The irony of it all is that JM, a former baseball coach, started this massive pile on.

I don't see the irony at all. JM may have been a coach but it sounds like he's now a solid umpire.

[cc6]

Originally Posted by SAump

I don't need to read any more negative comments about poor cell phone McGee. If you have any dignity left for Mr McGoo, why choose to continue to "dump on the young ump" and bring it here for the "umpteenth" time. All this could have been averted had the "coach" taught the little boy to run to the next base. There were some good comments provided by J Paco and others. But those comments have been "drowned out" trying to keep the rat in his box.

In summary 1) Rats have no business talking to the umpire after the game ends to clarify anything.
2) Rats have no business talking to the umpire between innings of a game to clarify anything. In short, the rat should have left the field without exchanging words with the umpire. He got away with some more cheese.
3) The only reason we discuss the proper or improper behavior of rats is to keep our cheese.

Another inflammatory post. All these shots are taken at jwwashburn, yet my post to LMan saying it was addition by subtraction when he left the board a couple years ago gets deleted!?!?! Where is the fairness and consistency in what posts get deleted and which ones don't? The irony of it all is that JM, a former baseball coach, started this massive pile on.

[spokanelurker]

Seriously, SAump? You take that attitude onto the field and think that you can officiate with integrity. Keep telling yourself that!

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by spokanelurker

Seriously, SAump? You take that attitude onto the field and think that you can officiate with integrity. Keep telling yourself that!

You need a new moniker. You have long stopped lurking.

But, let's talk integrity. What do you think about a coach who punished young players for telling the truth?

What should parents think about that?

[bob jenkins]

I think this has gone on long enough.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by cc6

Mr. Umpire told me that I am acting like a coach on an umpire board. I will attempt an objective perspective, which is hard to do after all the inflammatory postings made in the OP's direction.

Perhaps you missed the central theme of my PM.

You, along with jw may occasionally wear an umpire's uniform and call games. You may even go to umpire meetings and umpire clinics. But when a critical event occurs, you both immediately think and react like rats. Your first impulse is not that of an umpires, but that of coach.

We are not naive. We know coaches lie. We're just amazed that they can lie and then say they didn't. Even more amazing is, like jw has stated, coaches will punish a player for telling the truth. Wow.

My point to you, my young Canadian friend, is that when you claim to be an umpire, but throw your lot in with coaches, act like a coach, think like a coach, respond like a coach and defend a lying coach who would punish a player for telling the truth, all on an umpire board, you have no right to be surprised or even offended when you are treated accordlingly.

When I first came to this site someone used to say there is a difference between an umpire who coaches and a coach who umpires. I believe you and jw have shown that to be true.