Why not another? 9U play

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

It is the coach's job to help an umpire learn his job? That is such a load of Horse Hockey.

The coach has ZERO responsibility to help the umpire make calls or understand rules.

What part of 9U don't you understand? It's a learning experience for everyone involved - including managers. What I find most reprehensible about the above comment is that it comes from another umpire who thinks it's fine and dandy to take advantage of someone just starting out.

When it's you against the world, bet on the world.

[umpjong]

Originally Posted by waltjp

What part of 9U don't you understand? It's a learning experience for everyone involved - including managers.

BINGO!!!!! This is the absolute bottom line for me in the original situation. Had this been a game played at an older age group, the young umpire hopefully would have had the experience/knowledge to know the rule involved.


I also am of the opinion that umpires, coaches and parents/spectators are absolutely not necessary for the game to be played by young uns. My fondest memories of playing this grand old game was on the sand lot with my 10 to 20 buddies (who ever showed up) and playing all day without adult supervision. (Learned most of my adult words there though) Disagreements on the field were settled by the old free for all......

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by umpjong

BINGO!!!!! This is the absolute bottom line for me in the original situation. Had this been a game played at an older age group, the young umpire hopefully would have had the experience/knowledge to know the rule involved.

My point is that he was not just inexperienced. He was a lazy, sleazy, cheese eating rat.

It is so ridiculous how much crap a coach gets for one little sarcastic remark.

But, over the course of the weekend, Cell Phone McGhee took HUNDREDS of dollars for a job that he did not try to do well.

And again, he was not a kid, he was an adult.

But, yeah yeah....I should have interrupted his phone calls and mentored him. I should have helped him know the rules...

What responsibility does an ADULT have when taking a job? Any?

The umpire is just a nice young man trying to learn the game...give me a break. Some of the umpires here are so full of themselves it is nauseating.

I used to think a "rat" meant a badly behaving, obnoxious coach. I now see the real definition in many of the heads here. A rat is someone that does see his #1 job to make lousy umpires look good. If he does not teach the umpires how to umpire, he is a rat. If an umpire calls his runner safe and he does not get that runner out, he is a rat. What a load of crap.

Joe

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

My point is that he was not just inexperienced. He was a lazy, sleazy, cheese eating rat.

It is so ridiculous how much crap a coach gets for one little sarcastic remark.

But, over the course of the weekend, Cell Phone McGhee took HUNDREDS of dollars for a job that he did not try to do well.

And again, he was not a kid, he was an adult.

But, yeah yeah....I should have interrupted his phone calls and mentored him. I should have helped him know the rules...

What responsibility does an ADULT have when taking a job? Any?

The umpire is just a nice young man trying to learn the game...give me a break. Some of the umpires here are so full of themselves it is nauseating.

I used to think a "rat" meant a badly behaving, obnoxious coach. I now see the real definition in many of the heads here. A rat is someone that does see his #1 job to make lousy umpires look good. If he does not teach the umpires how to umpire, he is a rat. If an umpire calls his runner safe and he does not get that runner out, he is a rat. What a load of crap.

Joe

That post must've taken a lot of energy. Better go eat some cheese, rat.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

That post must've taken a lot of energy. Better go eat some cheese, rat.

Thank you, Einstein.

Enjoy being on the side of the lazy turd-Cell Phone McGhee who couldn't care less whether he did a good job.

I prefer to use my brain.

I am a rat in your definition-a coach who does not try to make lousy umpires look good.

In my fifteen+ years of umpiring I do not recall anyone telling me it was my job to make lousy coaches look good-whether they were new or not.

[GA Umpire]

I only have 1 thing about this thread. And, it relates to this thread.
How should I have handled this

All I can say is this. Don't complain about the umpire's you get in a game if you are going to contribute to their ignorance. That is all I will say about this.

You are being a coach and I understand that. I don't think I would have done that since I do know the rules. But, you chose to so be it. Just remember, you are contributing to your own headaches when you continue to have incompetent umpires. Just don't be 2 faced about the issue.

[jwwashburn]

GA, after a weekend with these guys(and they were ALL rejects from the bike assembly at Toys R US) I made ONE little flippant remark.

Do I regret the remark...only in the mildest sense of the word. Like I said before, I probably should not have said it.

What amazes me is the depth that some people here go to denigrate all coaches and excuse all umpires. It is insane.

Thanks for your comment.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Thank you, Einstein.

Enjoy being on the side of the lazy turd-Cell Phone McGhee who couldn't care less whether he did a good job.

I prefer to use my brain.

I am a rat in your definition-a coach who does not try to make lousy umpires look good.

In my fifteen+ years of umpiring I do not recall anyone telling me it was my job to make lousy coaches look good-whether they were new or not.

I am starting to wonder if you have any clue, myself. Maybe you're just a lousy coach who's a bit too fixated on the fact the guy had a cell phone on the field with him. And you've referred to him as "Cell Phone McGhee" so many times there's no doubt you're fixated on that.

I've seen college umpires work summer rec programs and take phones with them and make and take calls between innings. Frankly, life's too short to care about crap like that.

It's a 9U game. It's supply and demand. If you could get better for $37.50, you'd have them already. The choices are simple: Accept what you have, pay more, or entice better people to do the job. I'd do it for $50 as long as there were 2 games and it was less than 10 miles from my house (but I would have no tolerance of rats).

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I am starting to wonder if you have any clue, myself. Maybe you're just a lousy coach who's a bit too fixated on the fact the guy had a cell phone on the field with him. And you've referred to him as "Cell Phone McGhee" so many times there's no doubt you're fixated on that.

I've seen college umpires work summer rec programs and take phones with them and make and take calls between innings. Frankly, life's too short to care about crap like that.

It's a 9U game. It's supply and demand. If you could get better for $37.50, you'd have them already. The choices are simple: Accept what you have, pay more, or entice better people to do the job. I'd do it for $50 as long as there were 2 games and it was less than 10 miles from my house (but I would have no tolerance of rats).

Talking on his cell phone was his major activity. Umpiring was an afterthought. By the way, who said anything about between innings? I saw him texting during the innings. But, I know...I should have mentored him. I should have taught him the rules. I should have begged him to call my runner out!

If you do not realize how stupid an umpire looks on a cell phone on the field, you have spoken volumes. I don't need to know anything more about your professionalism.

Joe

[cc6]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

That post must've taken a lot of energy. Better go eat some cheese, rat.

Those insults really make you seem immature. Can you claim to have any integrity when you say stuff like that?

You ask who pays attention to stuff like cell phones. Do you not see the problem with making $37 and wearing a cell phone, then doing a lousy job. By the way, $37 is very good pay. I can't imagine anyone demanding $50 per game for 2 games at most 10 miles away from home.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by cc6

Those insults really make you seem immature. Can you claim to have any integrity when you say stuff like that?

You ask who pays attention to stuff like cell phones. Do you not see the problem with making $37 and wearing a cell phone, then doing a lousy job. By the way, $37 is very good pay. I can't imagine anyone demanding $50 per game for 2 games at most 10 miles away from home.

Huh? I've made over $100 for a game essentially in my backyard. $37 may be good pay to you, but for some of us, we lose more by taking an hour or two off from work.

I get more grief working kids games than anything else and it's a lack of knowledge and decorum on the part of the coaches and parents 99% of the time. If I price myself out of that market, I have more time for golf and my daughter. And a coach can come on here and complain about the guy they get in my place.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by cc6

Those insults really make you seem immature. Can you claim to have any integrity when you say stuff like that?

You ask who pays attention to stuff like cell phones. Do you not see the problem with making $37 and wearing a cell phone, then doing a lousy job. By the way, $37 is very good pay. I can't imagine anyone demanding $50 per game for 2 games at most 10 miles away from home.

Integrity? IJAFIBB. If you want to see integrity, come watch me work games, not waste time posting here.

BTW, I have only ever taken a phone on the field/court when my wife was pregnant. I wouldn't do it otherwise, but that's because it's not right for me. I don't lean up against a fence or talk to my partners between every inning or....well, you get the picture. But I'm not about to stand and pass judgment over a guy I didn't see myself.

I just find it ironic that a coach can do what the OP did and yet he's somehow on higher moral ground than the umpire.

"You can't....you already called him safe!" Glee ensues.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by cc6

I can't imagine anyone demanding $50 per game for 2 games at most 10 miles away from home.

I guess it depends on the level of games with which you are familiar.

[falsecut]

Joe, just curious. When you made the original post, what were you looking for? Information? Feedback on how to handle a situation? Reading your OP, I'm thinking of what I usually say to a coach at a basketball game who's keeping up a running chatter on the sideline: "Is there a question in there?"

[cbfoulds]

Originally Posted by cc6

I can't imagine anyone demanding $50 per game for 2 games at most 10 miles away from home.

$65 [US, not CDN] per and I live less than 2 miles from the fields.

If I were willing to drive 20 miles and do a solo, $75 per; and they are glad to pay it.

You must live somewhere there are a surplus of umpires.