FPSR Violation??

[Spence]

Check out this link:

Picasa Web Albums - BOB - CHS vs Beechwood

Go to the last 3 pics of the 3rd row of pics.

FPSR violation??

Can someone list the rule wording.

Thanks

[Ump Rube]

Originally Posted by Spence

FPSR violation??

Ok, so maybe it is just a brain fart or I have just not been able to get a hold of the acronyms on this site (OOO took me awhile), but I will stick my neck out and ask... what is FPSR?

[Spence]

Originally Posted by Ump Rube

Ok, so maybe it is just a brain fart or I have just not been able to get a hold of the acronyms on this site (OOO took me awhile), but I will stick my neck out and ask... what is FPSR?

My apologies.

Force Play Slide Rule

By the way, I should add that the BR was safe at first.

[johnnyg08]

shouldn't matter safe or out at 1B in some situations

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Spence

Check out this link:

Picasa Web Albums - BOB - CHS vs Beechwood

Go to the last 3 pics of the 3rd row of pics.

FPSR violation??

Can someone list the rule wording.

Thanks

It is, and it obviously wasn't called.

[johnnyg08]

what rule set are they playing under?

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Spence

Check out this link:

Picasa Web Albums - BOB - CHS vs Beechwood

Go to the last 3 pics of the 3rd row of pics.

FPSR violation??

Can someone list the rule wording.

Thanks

I'll assume you're talking about pics 22-24...It looks to me like the runner is in violation of the FPSR.

8-4-2

"ART. 2 . . . Any runner is out when he:

2. When a play is being made on a runner or batter-runner, he establishes
his baseline as directly between his position and the base toward
which he is moving.
b. does not legally slide and causes illegal contact and/or illegally alters the
actions of a fielder in the immediate act of making a play, or on a force play,
does not slide in a direct line between the bases; or
1. A runner may slide in a direction away from the fielder to avoid making
contact or altering the play of the fielder.
2. Runners are never required to slide, but if a runner elects to slide, the
slide must be legal. (2-32-1, 2) Jumping, hurdling, and leaping are all
legal attempts to avoid a fielder as long as the fielder is lying on the
ground. Diving over a fielder is illegal."

-Josh

[UmpJM]

Spence,

If I'm the umpire, that is absolutely an FPSR violation.

JM

[Spence]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

Spence,

If I'm the umpire, that is absolutely an FPSR violation.

JM

I thought so as well but he seemed to hesitate and then decided to not call it. No impact on the outcome of the game though.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Spence

I thought so as well but he seemed to hesitate and then decided to not call it. No impact on the outcome of the game though.

Was this a 3-man or 4-man crew?

[Spence]

Originally Posted by richmsn

was this a 3-man or 4-man crew?

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[MajorDave]

A FED safety related rule that exists in some form or fashion in all rule sets played by amateurs.

I say YES! FPSR violation-no doubt whatsoever. But, if the DP was obtained without calling it then by all means wait and call it only when necessary. If you think the contact was malicious then eject.

I called this once this year and did not wait to see if they got the back end of the DP at first. In these pics it looks to me like R1 had no intent to do anything but break up the DP. Did he?

I worked about 20 miles away from this field on a HS field in neighboring Covington. That turf looks exactly like University of Louisville's turf. No dirt except the mound. Sure helps prevent rainouts.

This game was an upset win by Beechwood (the team in Red). I have worked them a couple of times in the past. The Beechwood head coach has a long white Santa Claus style beard so in those red uniforms he looks like Santa coaching baseball. He is a fierce competitor who gives umpires hell. I had to restrict him to the dugout once. His team was winning and he was still arguing everything. I probably would have had to dump him if they were losing.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MajorDave

A FED safety related rule that exists in some form or fashion in all rule sets played by amateurs.

I say YES! FPSR violation-no doubt whatsoever. But, if the DP was obtained without calling it then by all means wait and call it only when necessary.

I disagree with this. Call it when you see it. If you call it, other runners return to TOP; if you don't call it, they likely advance.

If you call it, it (likely) won't happen again (in that game). If you don't call it, it (likely) will, and then you'll have another decision to make, and / or an explanation to give.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Spence

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Wow. Just wow. With an umpire standing right there, it's pretty obvious that R1 was not sliding straight at the base. And then he hit the fielder. Textbook FPSR.

And this gets called regardless of the play at first. U2 isn't even watching that play and should be calling "That's interference! Time!" as soon as it happens.

[jicecone]

As we all know, just because this was a championship game, it doesn't necessarily mean that championship officials were on it. It is unfortunate but, happens often.