FPSR violation or good play?

[ranger71]

Fed rules, r1, one out. ground ball to f4 who throws to f6 coming across bag. f6 clearly on 2b side of bag (both feet on dirt) when r1 sliding directly into bag makes contact with right leg. r1 sliding with legs spread.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by ranger71

Fed rules, r1, one out. ground ball to f4 who throws to f6 coming across bag. f6 clearly on 2b side of bag (both feet on dirt) when r1 sliding directly into bag makes contact with right leg. r1 sliding with legs spread.

If the runner's legs were spread on the slide (something I'm not sure I've ever seen) it doesn't sound like he slid directly into the bag. You haven't said whether or not the contact was sufficient to actually alter the play.


Tim.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by ranger71

Fed rules, r1, one out. ground ball to f4 who throws to f6 coming across bag. f6 clearly on 2b side of bag (both feet on dirt) when r1 sliding directly into bag makes contact with right leg. r1 sliding with legs spread.

FED Rule 2-32

Art 2 A slide is illegal if:

d. The runner slashes or kicks the fielder with either leg


Sounds illegal to me.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by ranger71

Fed rules, r1, one out. ground ball to f4 who throws to f6 coming across bag. f6 clearly on 2b side of bag (both feet on dirt) when r1 sliding directly into bag makes contact with right leg. r1 sliding with legs spread.

Exactly where is the 2B side of 2B?

[RPatrino]

Ranger, please be more clear for us!! Where is F6 actually standing? What actually did R1 do with his legs? You mention R1 slid directly into 2b, but with his legs flailing at F6?

[ranger71]

F6 came across the bag to the outside (1b side) and cleared the bag. F6 was on dirt when R1 slid directly into the bag knocking F6 to the ground with his right foot. R1 slid with legs apart, foot not kicking, slashing, flailing, etc.

[LMan]

Was the fielder on the 1B-2B 'baseline?'

[ranger71]

F6 was to the right field side of the bag, not in the baseline.

[bluezebra]

Was the fielder on the 1B-2B 'baseline?'

There is no 'baseline' between 1B-2B, or 2B-3B. It's 'base path'.

Bob

[cbfoulds]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

If F6 wasn't on the bag, sounds like a FPSR violation to me for illegal contact.

If R1 was:
sliding
directly into the bag
not kicking, slashing, etc
AND F6 was "on the 1st base side of 2d"
I find it hard to imagine how there could be a FPSR violation; but I confess I remain a little unclear what R1 was doing that prompted the OP.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by ranger71

F6 came across the bag to the outside (1b side) and cleared the bag. F6 was on dirt when R1 slid directly into the bag knocking F6 to the ground with his right foot. R1 slid with legs apart, foot not kicking, slashing, flailing, etc.

I got two outs, and a SS that needs coaching on how to take a relay throw at second without getting his legs chopped off.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ranger71

F6 came across the bag to the outside (1b side) and cleared the bag. F6 was on dirt when R1 slid directly into the bag knocking F6 to the ground with his right foot. R1 slid with legs apart, foot not kicking, slashing, flailing, etc.

I'm (like all other respondents) confused. If R1 slid directly into the bag, how did he make contact with F6 who had cleared the bag to the RF side?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm (like all other respondents) confused. If R1 slid directly into the bag, how did he make contact with F6 who had cleared the bag to the RF side?

If I'm reading the OP right, the slide was not what I would call directly into the bag. I see this as a runner sliding with his left leg and torso in line with first and second ("directly into the bag") but with his right leg at an angle to his body taking out the fielder. If this is the case, I have a FPSR violation.

[PeteBooth]

As many others said, it's difficult to respond because of the lack of info.

Here's my take and how i envision the play.

F6, touches the bag to get out of the way on the sliding R1. F6 is now on the outfield side of second base. If R1 is sliding directly to the bag then the only way he can conatct F6 (who is now way off second base) is for him to 'stick out" his leg and make contact.

if the aforementioned is the case then it's a classic FPSR violation.

Pete Booth

[ranger71]

I apologize for perhaps the lack of clarity of this op. F6 came across the bag to the RF side, approximately 1 foot clear of the bag and both feet on the ground. R1 who is approximately 6'2" tall appeared to slide into the bag as I was was observing from the fenceline looking thru 1b to 2nd. As he slid at the bag, his legs were spread and knocked F6 to the ground with his right foot.