FPSR violation or good play?

[ranger71]

Fed rules, r1, one out. ground ball to f4 who throws to f6 coming across bag. f6 clearly on 2b side of bag (both feet on dirt) when r1 sliding directly into bag makes contact with right leg. r1 sliding with legs spread.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by ranger71

Fed rules, r1, one out. ground ball to f4 who throws to f6 coming across bag. f6 clearly on 2b side of bag (both feet on dirt) when r1 sliding directly into bag makes contact with right leg. r1 sliding with legs spread.

If the runner's legs were spread on the slide (something I'm not sure I've ever seen) it doesn't sound like he slid directly into the bag. You haven't said whether or not the contact was sufficient to actually alter the play.


Tim.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by ranger71

Fed rules, r1, one out. ground ball to f4 who throws to f6 coming across bag. f6 clearly on 2b side of bag (both feet on dirt) when r1 sliding directly into bag makes contact with right leg. r1 sliding with legs spread.

FED Rule 2-32

Art 2 A slide is illegal if:

d. The runner slashes or kicks the fielder with either leg


Sounds illegal to me.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by ranger71

Fed rules, r1, one out. ground ball to f4 who throws to f6 coming across bag. f6 clearly on 2b side of bag (both feet on dirt) when r1 sliding directly into bag makes contact with right leg. r1 sliding with legs spread.

Exactly where is the 2B side of 2B?

[RPatrino]

Ranger, please be more clear for us!! Where is F6 actually standing? What actually did R1 do with his legs? You mention R1 slid directly into 2b, but with his legs flailing at F6?

[ranger71]

F6 came across the bag to the outside (1b side) and cleared the bag. F6 was on dirt when R1 slid directly into the bag knocking F6 to the ground with his right foot. R1 slid with legs apart, foot not kicking, slashing, flailing, etc.

[LMan]

Was the fielder on the 1B-2B 'baseline?'

[ranger71]

F6 was to the right field side of the bag, not in the baseline.

[cbfoulds]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

If F6 wasn't on the bag, sounds like a FPSR violation to me for illegal contact.

If R1 was:
sliding
directly into the bag
not kicking, slashing, etc
AND F6 was "on the 1st base side of 2d"
I find it hard to imagine how there could be a FPSR violation; but I confess I remain a little unclear what R1 was doing that prompted the OP.

[bluezebra]

Was the fielder on the 1B-2B 'baseline?'

There is no 'baseline' between 1B-2B, or 2B-3B. It's 'base path'.

Bob

[RPatrino]

Bottom line ( not path), if the runner slides directly into a base, and doesn't go out of his/her way to initiate contact, then I have nothing.

[Dave Reed]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

There is no 'baseline' between 1B-2B, or 2B-3B. It's 'base path'.

Bob

You're by no means the only poster who repeats this canard. But the fact is that OBR has only one occurrence of the letter sequence "path", and it is not in conjunction with the word "base".

On the other hand, "baseline" is used frequently, and not always as a synonym for "foul line". Specifically the definition of the infield fly, and rule 7.08(a) use "baseline" while referring to the spaces between 1B-2B and 2B-3B.

Anyway, what's wrong with the word "baseline"?

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Dave Reed

Anyway, what's wrong with the word "baseline"?

Dave,

I think using the term "baseline" perpetuates the myth that a runner must run in a direct line between the bases. This especially holds true when applying 7.08(a) where it does say "baseline", but we as officials know it should be phrased as "basepath" to avoid confusion.


Tim.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by ranger71

F6 came across the bag to the outside (1b side) and cleared the bag. F6 was on dirt when R1 slid directly into the bag knocking F6 to the ground with his right foot. R1 slid with legs apart, foot not kicking, slashing, flailing, etc.

I got two outs, and a SS that needs coaching on how to take a relay throw at second without getting his legs chopped off.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

Was the fielder on the 1B-2B 'baseline?'

There is no 'baseline' between 1B-2B, or 2B-3B. It's 'base path'.

Bob

OK, was the fielder 'located on the direct xxx between 1B and 2B?'.

I'm getting at RPatrino's point, but I guess subtlety doesn't fly.