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SAump Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:20am
Three Fingers Up
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jkumpire (Post 594136)
SA,

What is a FED Finger?
:p
Humor Alert :o

I prefer to signal three balls using a closed "okay" signal {pinky, ring and middle fingers up} over the FED "boy scouts" signal {ring, middle and index fingers up}. But I never really understood why the hand signal for three balls, two strikes was preferred over the hand signal for a full count. No one signals the count before the first pitch. Something to do with high handlebars or it means something ugly in a foreign country. I guess that confused or startled some of the participants.

:o End of Humor Alert

MrUmpire Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:20am
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Originally Posted by SAump (Post 594144)
Humor Alert :o

I prefer to signal three balls using a closed "okay" signal {pinky, ring and middle fingers up} over the FED "boy scouts" signal {ring, middle and index fingers up}. But I never really understood why the hand signal for three balls, two strikes was preferred over the hand signal for a full count. No one signals the count before the first pitch. Something to do with high handlebars or it means something ugly in a foreign country. I guess that confused or startled some of the participants.

:o End of Humor Alert

Being so alerted, we're waiting for the humor.:rolleyes:

Waiting.

Waiting.

Waiting.

End of waiting.:rolleyes:

SanDiegoSteve Mon Apr 06, 2009 01:03am
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Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 594237)
Being so alerted, we're waiting for the humor.:rolleyes:

Waiting.

Waiting.

Waiting.

End of waiting.:rolleyes:
Dear Mr. Umpire:

Please do not wait up for me. I'm running late tonight.

Signed,

Humor

SethPDX Mon Apr 06, 2009 09:44pm
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Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 594237)
Being so alerted, we're waiting for the humor.:rolleyes:

Waiting.

Waiting.

Waiting.

End of waiting.:rolleyes:
:D
Does that count as the humor? :)

Steven Tyler Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:34pm
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Originally Posted by SethPDX (Post 594534)
:D
Does that count as the humor? :)
No. Humor should be somewhat funny.:rolleyes:

mandotheman Tue Apr 07, 2009 08:24am
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Originally Posted by UMP25 (Post 594047)
I've worked with a partner who, when the count was 2-2, he'd put up the two fingers on each hand and yell, "Pairs!"

I'm sitting there asking myself, "WTF? We playing poker here?"

I couldn't get him to stop this, so one time when he did this, from the bases I yelled, "I'm all in!"

:D
I'm surprised he did not say double duece....:D

UMP25 Tue Apr 07, 2009 09:02am
I don't think the big blind was good enough. :D

BnThereDnThat Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:11am
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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 593773)
Partner on Wednesday verbalizes the count, when necessary, as I've been accustomed to do, that is, "TWO...TWO", signalling with fingers, of course, with one hand for the balls and two for the strikes. We post-gamed it, agreeing on the clarity of using fewer words, skipping the "and" between the TWO's, and omitting the words BALL and STRIKE.
Partner on Thursday commented to me, "You're supposed to say "TWO BALLS...TWO STRIKES", not just the two numbers." He said, "That's what the book says."
I thanked him for his input, since I'm always willing to yield to "the book" in order to comply with Fed mechanics. But I can't find anything specifying one way or the other.
I know different officials have different habits and preferences, and I come down on the side of clarity with the fewest words necessary. But there a preferred Fed mechanic for verbalizing the count?
As for proper use of words behind the plate I would ask this..."In your last plate job, how many pitches did you miss?" If you say zero, we all know you're lying. If you say three, then worry about what caused you to get them wrong. The coaches, players and fans don't give a rat's behind if you use the word "and" or not when giving the count. Concentrate on what matters.

SanDiegoSteve Sat Apr 11, 2009 01:47am
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Originally Posted by UMP25 (Post 594593)
I don't think the big blind was good enough. :D
I think the whole subject is a flop.

SanDiegoSteve Sat Apr 11, 2009 01:49am
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Originally Posted by BnThereDnThat (Post 595312)
As for proper use of words behind the plate I would ask this..."In your last plate job, how many pitches did you miss?" If you say zero, we all know you're lying. If you say three, then worry about what caused you to get them wrong. The coaches, players and fans don't give a rat's behind if you use the word "and" or not when giving the count. Concentrate on what matters.
Rarely do I agree with a new poster, but you are absolutely right. What an asinine, anal thing to worry about.

w_sohl Sat Apr 11, 2009 02:58am
What about these...

If the count is...

0-1 say O and 1
0-2 say O and 2
1-0 say 1 and O
2-0 say 2 and O
3-0 say 3 and O
1-1 say 1 and 1
1-2 say 1 and 2
2-2 say twenty-two
3-2 say Count is full or 3 and 2 or thirty-two

Mainly asking about saying twenty-two, I use it, never had a problem. I do not, however, say thirty-two, count is full is what I use.

Ump153 Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:33am
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Originally Posted by w_sohl (Post 595322)
What about these...

If the count is...


2-2 say twenty-two
3-2 say Count is full or thirty-two

Mainly asking about saying twenty-two, I use it,
I've heard those used. Usually by guys in need of a shave and wearing rumpled uniforms and a sweat-stained hat. They normaly show the count to the 12 year old pitcher, then to each dugout.

SAump Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:43am
Total Conformity
 
FED finger mechanics don't include full count or hook-em horns.
Be the one who uses the right verbal comments in public.
A little training will teach 8 of 9 to follow directions.
1 always has to be different.

jicecone Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:52am
Talk about making little things out of nothing. I once worked with a guy that believed that every time he signaled the count, I was supposed to also signal the count in the field. We are in the second inning and he calls time out to come into the field and tell me this. (true story) My reply was your kidding right? He said "No, I take this stuff very seriously. I then told him that based upon what I have seen of his strike zone so far, I didn't want to embarass him by showing the correct count.

We didn't talk the rest of the game and fortuanely never worked together again either.???????????????????

Kevin Finnerty Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:40pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by w_sohl (Post 595322)
What about these...

If the count is...

0-1 say O and 1
0-2 say O and 2
1-0 say 1 and O
2-0 say 2 and O
3-0 say 3 and O
1-1 say 1 and 1
1-2 say 1 and 2
2-2 say twenty-two
3-2 say Count is full or 3 and 2 or thirty-two

Mainly asking about saying twenty-two, I use it, never had a problem. I do not, however, say thirty-two, count is full is what I use.
Don't say "Twenty-two," and don't say "Count is full," and definitely don't say "Thirty-two."

They're seen as lower-level.


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