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GoodwillRef Fri Apr 03, 2009 01:01pm

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Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue (Post 593783)
I disagree (sorry).
IMHO do it CORRECTLY, even if its different from what everyone else is messing up.
And to my knowledge its always number and something eg: 2 balls 1 strike. and its "foul" not foul ball (i hate that, pet peeve)
In every mechanic book i own its always 2 balls 2 strikes.

peace.

"foul" not foul ball (i hate that, pet peeve)

This really bothers you that much?

JRutledge Fri Apr 03, 2009 02:36pm

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 593899)
"foul" not foul ball (i hate that, pet peeve)

This really bothers you that much?

I honestly do not know why officials get all upset over things that hardly anyone notices.

Peace

Tim C Fri Apr 03, 2009 03:19pm

~Sigh~
 
I'm with Jeff. The only people who notice this are other umpires in the crowd or evaluators who need to find "something" to make sure all umpires don't receive great ratings.

David B Fri Apr 03, 2009 03:31pm

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Originally Posted by PeteBooth (Post 593843)
As with most of these type OP's do what your association wants you to.

MAIN POINT - EVERYONE knows the count.

Pete Booth

Or i would add, should know the count. Maybe just me, but saying the count if not that important. As long as I know and the battery know I'm fine.

We give the count, and two seconds later what do we here, "what's the count blue?"

Thansk
David

jkumpire Fri Apr 03, 2009 07:23pm

No, of course not
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Durham (Post 593852)
What is wrong with that? Isn't that what we all use?

In my corner of the world we use one fist and shout "it's loaded", or "I'm loaded" if it's a beer league!

tballump Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:30pm

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Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 593948)
I'm with Jeff. The only people who notice this are other umpires in the crowd or evaluators who need to find "something" to make sure all umpires don't receive great ratings.

We need more evaluators that think like you T, and we know you are an evaluator.

DG Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:39pm

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 593773)
We post-gamed it, agreeing on the clarity of using fewer words, skipping the "and" between the TWO's, and omitting the words BALL and STRIKE.
Partner on Thursday commented to me, "You're supposed to say "TWO BALLS...TWO STRIKES", not just the two numbers." He said, "That's what the book says."

Must have been a dull game to post-game this.

Throw that book away.

UMP25 Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:17am

I've worked with a partner who, when the count was 2-2, he'd put up the two fingers on each hand and yell, "Pairs!"

I'm sitting there asking myself, "WTF? We playing poker here?"

I couldn't get him to stop this, so one time when he did this, from the bases I yelled, "I'm all in!"

:D

Rich Ives Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:49am

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Originally Posted by David B (Post 593952)
Or i would add, should know the count. Maybe just me, but saying the count if not that important. As long as I know and the battery know I'm fine.

We give the count, and two seconds later what do we here, "what's the count blue?"

Thansk
David


Yes, they should know.

But the batter, runners, and defense need to know too, not kust the battery. It affects potential actions.

BretMan Sat Apr 04, 2009 01:37pm

Whatever you do, don't do what a guy I worked with last year did!

First inning, he is behind the plate. When he held up the count on his fingers, he made no verbal announcement. Okay, I can live with that. But for some reason, I kept having the wrong count- or, at least, a different count than he was showing. I'm scratching my head, trying to figure out how I'm missing pitches.

I decide to huddle up with him between innings, just to see if we're on the same page. As it turns out, we definitely were not!

As he explained it to me, he always shows the number of balls on the right hand, the number of strikes on the left hand. His explaination for why he did that: So the count would look the right way to the pitcher!

Don't be that guy...

mbyron Sat Apr 04, 2009 01:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by David B (Post 593952)
We give the count, and two seconds later what do we hear, "what's the count blue?"

I answer, "Still 2-2." Usually gets a giggle from F2.

yawetag Sat Apr 04, 2009 04:04pm

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Originally Posted by BretMan (Post 594088)
As he explained it to me, he always shows the number of balls on the right hand, the number of strikes on the left hand. His explaination for why he did that: So the count would look the right way to the pitcher!

Don't be that guy...

I was that guy for the first two games I did behind the plate. My grandfather was in town for my second, and asked me after the game why I did it that way. My answer was the same as your partner. My grandfather straightened my mechanic fairly quickly.

SAump Sat Apr 04, 2009 06:06pm

Prefer Not to Verbalize
 
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But there a preferred Fed mechanic for verbalizing the count?
I give everyone the preferred FED finger mechanics.
I am not there to discuss the count.
I might let the catcher know aloud between pitches.
I might let the batter know aloud before he returns to bat.
I might say it every now and then to clarify things for the pitcher.
I always say it correctly, if it is important enough to mention aloud, "Two balls, two strikes."
I don't want to appear rude and impolite to those who may not be paying attention to the game.
I was raised that way.

jkumpire Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:40pm

I Can't Help It
 
SA,

What is a FED Finger?
:p

umpduck11 Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:59pm

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Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 593948)
I'm with Jeff. The only people who notice this are other umpires in the crowd or evaluators who need to find "something" to make sure all umpires don't receive great ratings.


But what about "dead ball", instead of "time" ? :D


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