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Old Tue Dec 23, 2008, 04:44pm
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not in the question.....it was he said "i'm appealing" so he touch home plate not the runner..
From what information you've made available, runner in A, if he touched the plate would be safe. It would be unrelaxed action and F2 needed to tag him.

In "B", we have relaxed action and the runner would be out on the appeal.
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Old Tue Dec 23, 2008, 06:01pm
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From what information you've made available, runner in A, if he touched the plate would be safe. It would be unrelaxed action and F2 needed to tag him.

In "B", we have relaxed action and the runner would be out on the appeal.
read the OP.... F2 said Im appealing then threw the ball to 2nd to stop the advancing BR.....
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Old Tue Dec 23, 2008, 06:06pm
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ok here is the answer...

In (a), R2 is not out and the run counts. F2 would have had to tag him for the appeal. In (b), it is an appeal play and R2 is out since he left the plate area heading for the dugout. The runner has to make an Immediate effort to return, of course this is a judgment call.
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Old Tue Dec 23, 2008, 08:40pm
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So....you already knew the answer, but asked everyone just to see who else did? Why? Is there going to be a quiz later on or something?
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Old Tue Dec 23, 2008, 11:29pm
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So....you already knew the answer, but asked everyone just to see who else did? Why? Is there going to be a quiz later on or something?
Yes I knew the answer... I just got the 2009 College study guide book and wanted to throw out some questions...LOL
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Old Wed Dec 24, 2008, 12:28am
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ok here is the answer...

In (a), R2 is not out and the run counts. F2 would have had to tag him for the appeal. In (b), it is an appeal play and R2 is out since he left the plate area heading for the dugout. The runner has to make an Immediate effort to return, of course this is a judgment call.
So, everyone gave you the correct answer, you had no clue as to why they were correct, (as disclosed by your question regarding relaxed and unrelaxed action), and then you repeated their answers in an attempt to demonstrate that even if you didn't know why they were correct, you knew they were correct.

Strange game.
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Old Wed Dec 24, 2008, 02:37am
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So, everyone gave you the correct answer, you had no clue as to why they were correct, (as disclosed by your question regarding relaxed and unrelaxed action), and then you repeated their answers in an attempt to demonstrate that even if you didn't know why they were correct, you knew they were correct.

Strange game.
Not everyone gave correct answer...and I have never heard of the Relaxed or Unrelaxed... that is a Jaska and Roder thing... please show me that in the OBR rules, NCAA rules..

I knew that people had given the right answers... Likek I said i wanted to see if anyone knew the answers.. I had gotten the new study guide...
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Old Wed Dec 24, 2008, 08:48am
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Not everyone gave correct answer...and I have never heard of the Relaxed or Unrelaxed... that is a Jaska and Roder thing... please show me that in the OBR rules, NCAA rules..
Please show me where your OP stated the rule set.
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Old Wed Dec 24, 2008, 01:28pm
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Please show me where your OP stated the rule set.
What i was referring to was, That I have no idea about J/R manual...What i said was the Relaxed and unrelaxed is not any any of the rules books.... So I know I need the J/R manual.
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Not everyone gave correct answer...and I have never heard of the Relaxed or Unrelaxed... that is a Jaska and Roder thing... please show me that in the OBR rules, NCAA rules..
As been stated you will NOT find the terms Re-laxed / Un-relaxed action in the rule book.

Since you said that is a Jaska and Roder thing.. it's apparent that you do not adhere to authoritative opinion concerning the rules.

It has been noted that there are some 230 errors contained in the OBR rule-book and that's why it's important at least IMO to have supplemental materials such as the J/R manual to better explain the rules through case play examples.

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Old Wed Dec 24, 2008, 11:40am
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I suppose there is a difference between errors and insufficiencies. The 230 number covers a lot more than just errors in the rules.
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Old Wed Dec 24, 2008, 01:27pm
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As been stated you will NOT find the terms Re-laxed / Un-relaxed action in the rule book.

Since you said that is a Jaska and Roder thing.. it's apparent that you do not adhere to authoritative opinion concerning the rules.

It has been noted that there are some 230 errors contained in the OBR rule-book and that's why it's important at least IMO to have supplemental materials such as the J/R manual to better explain the rules through case play examples.

Pete Booth
Pete your right I dont have a Jaska and Roder book.. Its on my Xmas list...LOL
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I have never heard of the Relaxed or Unrelaxed... that is a Jaska and Roder thing... please show me that in the OBR rules, NCAA rules..
If you depend only on the rule books you will never be a good umpire. You must get supplemental study materials that explain in greater detail, and/or explain what is not explained by the written rules.
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Old Thu Dec 25, 2008, 01:51pm
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If you depend only on the rule books you will never be a good umpire. You must get supplemental study materials that explain in greater detail, and/or explain what is not explained by the written rules.
I actually don't think this is true.... BTW I have a CCA manual, both PBUC's, and the MLB umpire Manual, NFHS rules by topic.
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The state of the US and this whole recession thing is making me feel unrelaxed!!
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